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    Hi,

    On 11th May 2010 I bought 'stock goods' from SCS in the form of a corner L shape sofa for £x amount to be delivered on the 27th May. On delivery they broke my light (left me to clear up even though I couldn't walk due to my back), scraped the sofa, cushions all plucked, sofa didn't join together and put the feet on the wrong way (learnt this later).

    I called the office at Preston straight away to speak to the manager who seem to think this was funny!(He did have the words shiter in his last name!) lol It clearly says that if the furniture is damage to report to after sales within 72 hours. I did and they told me to ring the store which I had already done.

    By this point the sofa had completely collapsed and could not be used and to add insult to injury they had sent the sofa the wrong way around (right hand instead of left)

    I called the store many times and the head office, emailed and wrote letters and they ignored me for a while. Eventually they sent an upholsterer out who said he had seen a lot of things with SCS but not quite this bad. He propped it up with my yellow pages and phone directories!

    The manager at the store said he had ordered me a another sofa (the same one but LHS) I told him to take it back and leave it due to their own T&C it says on Paragraph 3.4.2 that 'stock goods' can be returned and the contract ended. The manager wouldnt take the sofa. When I spoke to another member of staff they said that Mr Shiter (not full name just the end part) had not even ordered me any other sofa which delayed even more time (13 weeks or more)

    I did speak to TS and consumer but they just told me to put in writing that the law clearly states that if there is a problem within the first 6 months its held in breach of contract under the sales and good act 1979 (amended) the good should be of satisfactory quality.

    After months of more letters, emails, customer services, a letter to the CEO of SCS, upholsterers and 3 change in store manager's they came to me and said that I was to take another sofa. The manager picked one for me that was a corner ROUND shape, nothing like the one I first ordered apart from part of the colour was the same! They wouldn't take no for an answer and as I was so ill at the time and no alternative sitting arrangement I took the sofa.

    The sofa has now (despite being sat on only a few times due to it being really bad for my back) has started to spit at the seams, dips down on one side and is in the garage! I am borrowing an old one from a friend who had her new sofa delivered a few months ago!

    They sent an upholsterer to look at the new sofa. He took pictures on his phone and said there was no damage. I complained and they sent another who said they would repair the right hand side of the sofa when it was the left hand that was damage!

    When he came to fix the sofa he forgot the part and said he would have had time to do the work anyway as they had only allocated an hour when it would take at least 2 hours. He said the whole of the right side needed to be completely taken off and re-covered!

    After all this time Creation (who the loan for the sofa is with) have held off while things are being sorted out but they now say that SCS have said that they will replace the bit that the stitching has come undone and they have contacted me when they haven't. Creation are now ringing me day and night and even though they are fully aware I am ill they say that I need to pay the loan back immediately and are adding charges. I did speak to them and numerous times but they dont listen and am now getting letters all the time and the calls. I have dealt with the calls and stopped them but I am at a loss as to what to do next?

    I have thought about sending back to SCS (Niddy says) lol

    The new agreement was 9th Nov 2010, delivered 9th Dec 2010.

    I hope this isn't too long and too much waffle.... I will answer more technical things when you have read the story.

    p.s I have all the pictures of the first damage sofa and to my floor, etc...

  • #2
    Re: SCS & Creation Loan

    I have had similar problems with SCS and I bought the additional warranty!

    I then googled them

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    There is a website dedicated to complaints from consumers... its disgusting.

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    • #3
      Re: SCS & Creation Loan

      ^^^^ ermmm trading standards???

      That's what they're here for...,
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      • #4
        Re: SCS & Creation Loan

        LOL yeah this person thought that too!

        SCS-Complaint.index

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        • #5
          Re: SCS & Creation Loan

          wow
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          • #6
            Re: SCS & Creation Loan

            As the sofa was purchased on credit, section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (link) applies, unless the sofa cost less than £100.

            They cannot evade their liability by arguing that it is barely worth £10.
            Last edited by CleverClogs (RIP); 21 January 2012, 10:17. Reason: adding omitted verb

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            • #7
              Re: SCS & Creation Loan

              Originally posted by jen_br View Post
              LOL yeah this person thought that too!

              SCS-Complaint.index
              That is incredible, but then at the same time not surprising that a consumer has had to go pretty much all the way to court for a company to admit it is in the wrong.

              I am certain that this is now a standard tactic for many corporates, that the cost benefit of fobbing people off, outweighs the odd occasion of having legal action taken against them.

              I had to admit it was an eyeopener to something I had never thought of which is that the furniture you order in store may be a completely different size to what gets delivered!
              "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

              The consumer is that sleeping giant.!!



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              • #8
                Re: SCS & Creation Loan

                SCS are just a bad outfit. Take a walk around the stores, Sorry to say a company that needs a constant half price sale and then some advertised on the telly continuously has to have problems with its goods/quality/prices.

                Caveat emptor.

                We are fairly lucky in that all of these big chain stores are grouped pretty close together in a retail park at Chester. Not a long drive from us and you can make direct comparisons in a morning.

                We ruled this shower out early along with Harveys and DFS. Finally we settled on CSL whose service and quality were spot on for us. They quoted a delivery in weeks on the day we ordered and delivered one week early and within a quoted 3 hour window plus throughout the waiting time they kept us informed of the progress via e-mail.

                Yes it was a bit more expensive but not a lot in percentage terms. By the way no connections at all with CSL other than as customers.

                regards
                Garlok

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                • #9
                  Re: SCS & Creation Loan

                  Originally posted by garlok View Post
                  We ruled this shower out early along with Harveys and DFS. Finally we settled on CSL whose service and quality were spot on for us. They quoted a delivery in weeks on the day we ordered and delivered one week early and within a quoted 3 hour window plus throughout the waiting time they kept us informed of the progress via e-mail.

                  Yes it was a bit more expensive but not a lot in percentage terms.
                  Was it significantly less expensive (and, if you can recall, by how much) than obtaining something similar from an independent upholsterer?

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                  • #10
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                    Never checked to be honest CC. We just compared the stores. I was looking for a recliner and to choose which pieces we wanted rather than have to have a fixed specification suite as space is a bit limited in our bungalow.

                    We ended up with a two seater sofa and a chair, every position reclining independantly and the whole suite despite sitting on exactly the same metal frames was less than a dedicated manual recliner chair from one of the disabled suppliers. I think we paid about 6% more than what SCS and DFS could offer for what we thought was inferior product from them.

                    The other thing I liked was the approach to sales, i.e. we weren't pounced on instantly by some commission driven salesperson. They waited until we had been looking around for some time and then we were approached by a guy who just asked what we were looking for, told him. explained we had found 3 or 4 we liked but could we have just what we wanted. No problems and they even left us alone to go outside into daylight with whole bookfuls of fabric swatches so Mrs G could decide. Then and only when we had demos of the reclining mechanisms etc. and had retried the seating positions did they ask if we would like to order. All very civilised when compared with the usual in the big stores.

                    regards
                    Garlok
                    Last edited by garlok; 21 January 2012, 10:47.

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                    • #11
                      Re: SCS & Creation Loan

                      Originally posted by garlok View Post
                      Never checked to be honest CC. We just compared the stores. I was looking for a recliner and to choose which pieces we wanted rather than have to have a fixed specification suite as space is a bit limited in our bungalow.

                      We ended up with a two seater sofa and a chair, every position reclining independantly and the whole suite despite sitting on exactly the same metal frames was less than a dedicated manual recliner chair from one of the disabled suppliers. I think we paid about 6% more than what SCS and DFS could offer for what we thought was inferior product from them.

                      The other thing I liked was the approach to sales, i.e. we weren't pounced on instantly by some commission driven salesperson. They waited until we had been looking around for some time and then we were approached by a guy who just asked what we were looking for, told him. explained we had found 3 or 4 we liked but could we have just what we wanted. No problems and they even left us alone to go outside into daylight with whole bookfuls of fabric swatches so Mrs G could decide. Then and only when we had demos of the reclining mechanisms etc. and had retried the seating positions did they ask if we would like to order. All very civilised when compared with the usual in the big stores.

                      regards
                      Garlok
                      When will they realize that good customer service like that gets sales.

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                      • #12
                        Re: SCS & Creation Loan

                        That suggests their pay structure is different

                        The spiv companies pay a low basic wage and give bonuses or commission on sales. They also give commission on credit deals, 'maintenance insurance' and such like, all of which will bump up the price the victim customer will pay.

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                        • #13
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                          Absolutely mate. It was worth more than the bit extra to be treated like that alone. I just wish more would behave that way.

                          regards
                          Garlok

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                          • #14
                            Re: SCS & Creation Loan

                            Originally posted by pompeyfaith View Post
                            When will [SCS and DFS] realize that good customer service like that gets sales.
                            Never.

                            At least, not when they still have a ready supply of victims just waiting to be duped into thinking they're getting a bargain sofa made just for them by skilled craftsmen in the UK.

                            The sofas are actually made by semi-skilled factory workers in mainland China and, even considering the cost of transporting the goods to the UK, the landed cost after import duty and VAT have been paid is probably not much more than a quarter of the selling price.

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                            • #15
                              Re: SCS & Creation Loan

                              I seem to remember a while ago a batch of leather sofa's that where covered in a poisonous substance that caused a lot of skin issues some of which were real bad.

                              I am sure SCS and Argos where involved.

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