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**Never-In-Doubt** · 22 November 2011, 20:30

You never heard my chat with Paul an hour ago. I pretty much said I wanted to rip someone's head off

However they do have a right to send an agent; once. The second time may well be "trespass" but are you really gonna convince a judge of this and that it had detriment etc to you? Risky tbh - sometimes best to piss them around and waste more time/effort and money!!

Next time just ask the bloke in to help you move a body - of the last idiot that called.... See his reaction

**thechippy** · 22 November 2011, 20:37

Originally posted by Never-In-Doubt View Post

You never heard my chat with Paul an hour ago. I pretty much said I wanted to rip someone's head off

However they do have a right to send an agent; once. The second time may well be "trespass" but are you really gonna convince a judge of this and that it had detriment etc to you? Risky tbh - sometimes best to piss them around and waste more time/effort and money!!

Next time just ask the bloke in to help you move a body - of the last idiot that called.... See his reaction

We are just so alike.......

**thechippy** · 22 November 2011, 21:00

Being serious (can I do that?)...

I can deal with these idiots, it's more a case of I don't want the wife subjected to these morons. She opened the door on the first visit. She know's the score and told him to do one, but I just don't really want her subjected to these thugs..

**CleverClogs (RIP)** · 23 November 2011, 03:48

Originally posted by thechippy View Post

I can deal with these idiots, it's more a case of I don't want the wife subjected to these morons. She opened the door on the first visit. She know's the score and told him to do one, but I just don't really want her subjected to these thugs..

Give her a water pistol with which to squirt them?

Arrange a system of pipes in the floor and roof of your porch, together with electric valves controlled by switches near the door frame so that, when the oaf next calls, he gets rained upon and/or jets of water shoot up his legs?

**Never-In-Doubt** · 23 November 2011, 07:10

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Originally posted by CleverClogs View Post

Give her a water pistol with which to squirt them?

Arrange a system of pipes in the floor and roof of your porch, together with electric valves controlled by switches near the door frame so that, when the oaf next calls, he gets rained upon and/or jets of water shoot up his legs?

**garlok** · 23 November 2011, 09:58

Re: Power to Contact Visits

Originally posted by Never-In-Doubt View Post

However they do have a right to send an agent; once. The second time may well be "trespass" but are you really gonna convince a judge of this and that it had detriment etc to you? Risky tbh - sometimes best to piss them around and waste more time/effort and money!!

Interesting comment this mate. The template letter which was given to us by our original solicitors in dealing with these idiots actually says that they do not have this right once the implied licence to visit has been revoked in writing. Second visit becomes criminal and the police can be called.

I think we are aware that damages for Tort are going to be difficult if not impossible.

regards
Garlok

**Never-In-Doubt** · 23 November 2011, 11:31

Re: Power to Contact Visits

Originally posted by garlok View Post

Interesting comment this mate. The template letter which was given to us by our original solicitors in dealing with these idiots actually says that they do not have this right once the implied licence to visit has been revoked in writing. Second visit becomes criminal and the police can be called.

I think we are aware that damages for Tort are going to be difficult if not impossible.

regards
Garlok

I understand mate, this stance is right but I am merely saying you'd (not literally, you) be a fool to attempt to sue under Tort for Trespass - it'd cost you a bomb with very restrictedresources for case law - personally, not something I would ever entertain unless they called daily lol

My quote above meant that prior to sending any do not visit letters they can call round, obviously. After this then it is trespass.

**garlok** · 23 November 2011, 12:02

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Thats great mate, I thought you may have known something on this that I had missed. I now have very much the approach in litigation matters "make the "b*****rs" come to you. Again this is a matter really getting more together in the paper trail and being in a position to point out their transgressions where and when it really matters.

regards
Garlok

**thechippy** · 23 November 2011, 19:07

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Well I don't understand.

If the first visit after the letter is trespass and the second criminal, then why is it so difficult to sue or do something about it?

If they can just ignore the doorstep letter and quite frankly get away with it - what's the point?

**Never-In-Doubt** · 23 November 2011, 19:36

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Well you'd need to pay for action to be taken so tell me, you sue p2c for what exactly?

ie what damage have they caused and what redress you after and why? Just saying mate, it's not "that" simple.

**thechippy** · 23 November 2011, 19:53

Re: Power to Contact Visits

They're making my blood boil, that's what....

Anyway mate, my point is - if they can just ignore the doorstep letter, then what's the point of most of these types of forums advising sending it? - is it not a waste of time?

If that's the case, then it looks like the only way I'm going to get my point across, is to quite honestly give the next agent a bloody good twatting. Maybe then, they might get the point to not ignore the letters....

**garlok** · 23 November 2011, 20:02

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You can sue whoever and whatever you like but assume everytime that the odds in court are 50/50, you only need to shift the odds less than 1% to win (or LOSE) in a civil case. in A Tort issue you will have to demonstrate to a judge that you have actually suffered material loss and distress which is quantifiable. Not an easy task as the onus of proof as claimant (plaintiff) lies entirely with you. Many if these sorts of cases are won and the damages awarded are negligible such that you out of pocket by several thousands in all probability, if you lose then you have the other sides costs to pay as well. Generally it is a case of swallow the old pride and see them off at the door IF they come, photograph 'em. hose 'em down with the garden hose (no pressure washers though -- it becomes assault if you do) record do whatever, normally a copy of the "doorstep" letter from here does the trick as they know that they have no powers whatsoever in law and it could be used against them in any subsequent case.

Of course if there is any threatening behaviour, foot in the door stuff, then it becomes immediately criminal anyway and you complain to the local plod.

regards
Garlok

**garlok** · 23 November 2011, 20:08

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Oh and PS if you don't use the doorstep letter as advised , then you have NOT revoked the implied licience under English Common Law to vist your property. That is tantamount to inviting them in and you will have no cause of complaint in any future actions.

Yes it pisses us all off but patience and pragmatism beats the crap out these parasites

regards
Garlok

**Deepie** · 23 November 2011, 20:16

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I Agree with Garlok don't let them wind you up......stay calm....

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