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    > WORK IN PROGRESS <

    Background
    In 2011, the tenancy agreement in my old student digs came to an end. As I was no longer a student, I needed to find private accommodation. I formed a group, and we all got along well. We found a house, paid non-refundable letting agency fees, deposits, etc. At the last minute, one of our group pulled out as he received a job offer in London. The remainder of us could no longer afford to take the house and we lost £100s in non-refundable fees.

    I had just days to find somewhere to live, but couldn't. I put what I had in storage and was effectively homeless. Payday loans helped ease of moving around between hotels, B&Bs, temporary accommodation, etc, and finally a deposit on a flat.

    The payday loans spiralled out of control, and I kept running out of money each month. I would therefore take on other payday loans, just to fill the financial gap that other loans had made with their interest.

    I was earning a decent enough wage for my age, nearly £30k, and yet I could barely afford to live.

    The payday loans also meant I had no money to pay my other creditors, etc.

    On 20th May 2013 I lost my job, and have stopped paying most of my creditors.



    Creditors




    HSBC Overdraft
    The agreed limit was £1750.

    30 October 2009: HSBC charge me £100 for going over the agreed limit
    17 November 2009: During a call with HSBC we agreed that if I paid £15 on 3rd December, they would stop recovery action. My student loan was late this year, and HSBC accepted this as a reason for being over my agreed limit.
    03 December 2009: £15 paid in as agreed
    08 December 2009: HSBC used 'set off' and transferred £240 from a savings account. This money had been transferred to me by my housemates to pay our shared bills.

    2011
    On numerous occasions during 2011, HSBC placed a fraud block on my debit card requiring me to call them and confirm the transactions were mine in order to get the block removed.

    On the final occasion, despite me confirming that ALL of the transactions were mine, HSBC decided to put a security lock on my account, meaning I could not use my debit card or withdraw any money.

    I went into my branch several times, but they would not remove the block because of my identification. I did not have a passport or driver's license, and they demanded to see one. I tried everying, birth certificate, university campus card, NI card, etc, but they would have none of it.

    Obviously, the account fell into disuse, but HSBC were still allowing direct debits. Eventually these took me over my agreed overdraft limit, which ultimately led to a default and the account being closed.

    02 May 2013: I sent a formal complaint under The Banking: Code of Business Regulations. I explained my personal situation (high level of debts, mental health issues, Aspergers), and outlined their total lack of care and skill while handling my account. I concluded by demanding they write off the entire debt, and said I may sue them for Breach of Statutory Duty, if they did not resolve the complaint to my 100% satisfaction.

    I basically argued their treatment of me was unfair, in particular, locking my account and not letting me use it, then demanding I pay it all back. And secondly, unfairly using their right to set off after we had an agreement in place for £15 which was honoured.

    I'm still waiting for their response.




    HSBC Credit Card
    Original Limit: £500

    Due to PDLs, I fell behind on my payments.

    06 May 2013: Sent: CCA request to Metropolitan Collection Services (MCS)
    29 May 2013: Sent: SAR to HSBC to obtain information about charges
    31 May 2013: Sent: Non-compliance with CCA request to MCS
    12 June 2013: Received: Final Demand from MCS
    13 June 2013: Received: CCA from MCS



    NatWest Overdraft
    This is my main account and still in active use.



    NatWest Credit Card
    Original Limit: £500

    Due to PDLs, I fell behind on my payments.

    This account has disappeared from online banking with NatWest, but I've heard nothing about it since last year.


    Very.co.uk owned by CapQuest
    Original Limit: £400

    Due to PDLs, I fell behind on my payments.

    06 May 2013: Sent: CCA request to CapQuest
    10 May 2013: Received: Letter from CapQuest saying account was on hold for 28 days whilst they obtain my information
    31 May 2013: Sent: Non compliance with CCA request letter
    04 June 2013: Received: Letter stating CapQuest are dealing with this as a formal complaint and will write to me with the outcome of their investigation.

    They don't seem to have the agreement!


    JD Williams owned by Fredrickson International

    Original limit: £150, increased to £900, then increased to £1250.

    At around the time I defaulted, my balance was £966.62 which included some penalty charges.

    Due to PDLs, I fell behind on my payments.

    03 June 2013: Sent: CCA Request to Fredrickson
    11 June 2013: Received: Letter saying they have put the account on hold as they "have reffered the mattered to [their] client".


    Vanquis owned by Moorcroft
    No action taken so far



    Aqua Owned by ??Somebody??
    29 May 2013:
    Sent: SAR for information about charges


    Cash Genie
    09 May 2013: Sent: Formal Complaint quoting CPUTR2008; threatened court.
    22 May 2013: Received refund of £120


    Wonga
    25 November 2011:
    Took out loan, could not afford to repay
    01 January 2012: Attempted to set up repayment arrangement
    25 April 2012: Repayment arrangement finally agreed, Wonga had added over £450 interest and charges. Arrangement was for ~£156/month.
    25 March 2013: Arrangement complete. Debt repaid.
    29 May 2013: Sent: Formal Complaint, demanding refund of unfair charges and interest. Threatening court action.



    WageDayAdvance owned by Motormile
    30 April 2013: Sent: CCA request
    13 May 2013: Received: Notice of Assignment and badly reconstituted credit agreement. The CCA had the wrong account number and credit limit. The original CCA was NOT signed by the creditor, the reconstituted one was. The reconstituted agreement did not match the terms and conditions of the original.
    19 May 2013: Sent: Email saying CCA was not valid and of no merit.

    MMile have discontinued all communication attempts.
    Last edited by ekim; 15 June 2013, 16:27.

  • #2
    Re: ekim's UE Diary

    I love that table – it makes it really easy to see the entire situation in one go. There are so many of these which are post-6th April 2007 that following UE is going to be extremely difficult.

    Do the balances add up to under or over £15,000? I'm thinking a DRO is the best option here, if it applies.

    SH

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    • #3
      Re: ekim's UE Diary

      I've finished editing for now; will complete later.

      Thanks ScabHunter. It comes to just over £13,000.
      Last edited by ekim; 15 June 2013, 16:32.

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      • #4
        Re: ekim's UE Diary

        Originally posted by ekim View Post
        Thanks ScabHunter. It comes to just over £13,000.
        In that case, I would definitely think about applying for a DRO. Here are the qualifying factors, from the Insolvency Service website -

        Is a DRO likely to be suitable for me?
        To apply for a DRO, you must meet certain conditions:
        • You must be unable to pay your debts.
        • You must owe less than £15,000.
        • You can own a car to the value of £1000 but the total value of other assets must not exceed £300.
        • After taking away tax, national insurance contributions and normal household expenses, your disposable income must be no more than £50 a month.
        • You must be domiciled (living) in England or Wales, or at some time in the last 3 years have been living or carrying on business in England or Wales.
        • You must not have been subject to another DRO within the last 6 years.
        • You must not be involved in another formal insolvency procedure at the time you apply.

        Assuming you can meet all of these requirements, DRO will be a clean solution. If you are still out of work in a year's time, you should be free of all this trouble, and be able to rebuild for the future. It would be six years before the DRO disappeared from your credit file, but that is going to get shot to hell for that length of time no matter what you do.

        You could attempt UE, but I wouldn't in this case. There are too many of the alleged debts which are post-2007, and while you can 'blag' these it is not likely to be sustainable for too long. You would probably end up with at least one CCJ, and that is as damaging to credit files as DRO.

        A DRO can only be applied for through a third party, but from what you have said here I don't see any potential problems. You can obviously not afford to pay these debts back with benefit money.

        I would apply soon, for two reasons - a) the sooner you get it, the sooner it drops off in six years' time, and b) there is a possibility of one or more creditors adding charges or interest to take it closer to the threshold.

        It is your choice, of course, and make sure you know all of the options before deciding, but that is what I would be looking to do.

        SH

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        • #5
          Re: ekim's UE Diary

          The problem I see with the DRO is it's only going to give me a few weeks of relief. I should be able to find a new job very quickly. Once I do, the DRO will be revoked and I'll be right back to where I am today.

          I'm starting to think bankruptcy would be a better option?

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          • #6
            Re: ekim's UE Diary

            Originally posted by ekim View Post
            I should be able to find a new job very quickly.
            Wow, in that case you are a miracle worker. Personally, I would impersonate an unemployable imbecile for a year just to get rid of this problem, but I know that won't suit everyone.

            Originally posted by ekim View Post
            I'm starting to think bankruptcy would be a better option?
            It is VERY expensive, and it leaves more permanent consequences. It is also severely restrictive before discharge. On top of this, there will be income payments orders made if you obtain employment. I would seriously think twice about doing this.

            If you are going to be employed, you could always attempt a UE strategy with these, but you really are peeing in the wind on most of them. The blag will be obvious for those which are post-2007.

            It is certainly no easy choice. If you attempt UE absolutely anything could happen. You could end up with several CCJs in a short time, or you could get lucky and have a lot of these accounts go quiet. It is going to take a lot of time and money to get finally out of trouble, as most of these will need negotiated settlements at some point.

            I'll await some more input from other people.

            SH

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            • #7
              Re: ekim's UE Diary

              I estimate that 30% or more of my debt is made up of penalties, which can be reclaimed.

              £13,000 - 30% = £9,100

              My NatWest OD and CapitalOne CC are in use and up-to-date, so these aren't debts I'm being chased for, and I can continue to meet minimum repayments.

              That brings me down to £6,900. Maybe things aren't as bad as they seem?

              CapQuest for Very.co.uk don't have a CCA, so that's going nowhere at the moment.
              Motormile for WageDayAdvance have gone quiet after sending me a very dodgy CCA.
              PaydayExpress were willing to accept £200 as full & final settlement, I just couldn't get them to put those exact words in writing.

              Now I'm down to £4,118.54. With some more full and final offers, this could drop to £2000?

              HSBC might agree to write-off my overdraft debt.

              I'm not really sure what to do at the moment

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              • #8
                Re: ekim's UE Diary

                Hi, just checking if everything is OK?


                Best wishes
                IF
                "If wishes were horses, beggars would ride"

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