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    Thanks .

    TBH I am in a desperate place and really don't want to carry on living. My situation I complex. I suffer several conditions causing disability which cause pain, exhaustion, weakness and breathing difficulties (breathing due to heart failure.)

    As such, I am bed bound. Regarding my debts all were before 2007. I believe the combined total owing of myself and hubby is around 37k or so. I think his is about 15 and mine about 22. Because I am too I'll to sort things out most of these debts have been passed to DCA's with threats of this, that and the other.

    My husband is paying £1 per month on two of his debts (four in total) and the other two have been ignored. I am paying £1 per month on one debt ( I think I have 5 or 6 in total) but that was because Brian Carter was applying to court for a CCJ ( had court date etc, but this didn't go through when I arranged to pay £1 per month.)

    For the most part, we are not hassled as I changed our phone number, and letters are only arriving from 3 or 4 debts (because no payment arrangement is in place) and the others seem to have forgot we owe them.

    We entered into a DMP through CCCs around 2008 but stopped paying this as to me it was dead money as our intention is to go BR. So, for the last good 3 years we have got letters that are dwindling in occurrence, and because of my daily life being a struggle every letter is ignored. Apart from B Carter, no one else appears to be pushing the issue, I am even getting offers of paying just 25 percent of the debt owed on a couple of debts.

    I have no idea what debt is with which DCA as they seem to just pass from one to another when we don't respond.

    At this point I will mention we are on benefits ( really despise this) but my health is very poor and my husband is my full time carer (ex army)

    Now, I have been offered the chance to do a little work. It's going to be done via the net, on a SE basis and this will be permitted work. It's something I want to do as its fully flexible. Obviously I would only be allowed to keep £20 of what I earn, but I can deal with that. The idea was to do the PW for 12 months with a view to then going on WTC / 16 hours after 12 months.

    My youngest child will be 17 at the end of the month and will be leaving for University September 2013. After that we will have no dependants. So basically in just over 12 months time I may have completed the PW and move up to WTC as my son leaves.

    So the other day was considering going BR. Then I found out that I may have an IPA put in place for three years, essentially working for nothing due to rule changes in 2010 of 100 percent spare going to OR.

    I would like to ask a few questions if I may?

    Is DLA included in IE for an IPA?
    Is my partners CA included?

    The Internet is extremely important to me, but equally so is digital TV as having to deal with pain etc and stay in bed I need that stimulation because it is ALL I have. We never go out due to my circumstances and hubby has to be here literally 24/7 to care for me. I heard that the OR inform Sky/Virgin of your BR and these services are taken away. That would be devastating for me as its all I have. I also heard that the OR inform your telephone/broadband provider and as mine is about to be an inclusive package with digital TV - the lot will be taken.

    Therefore we are going to be stuck in a situation with no net/TV while being stuck in a bedroom all day dealing with what I do. I know this may come across wrong, but when you have to stay in bed each day, every day, and you are not able to do anything else by way of recreation due to disabilities, then there is simply no point putting up with the pain etc any longer. I have battled through trying to stay alive as the pain is intense and incredibly difficult to deal with. The exhaustion, weakness and other health issues which I don't want to declare here, make life practically unbearable.

    What keeps me going is my husband and children, and the net and TV and my dogs. My dogs are theraputic to me - incredibly so, and I cannot begin to explain what they meant to me.

    The way I see it I have a couple of choices:

    1. Try going the unenforcible route - although I would need a lot of support to do this and I am unsure if it's going to be worth it. I have heard even SB'd debts can raise their ugly head again. At least this would allow me to keep TV/NET and try a little work but for how long?

    2. paying £1 pm as now and ignore letters where this is not in place, hoping for SB'd to be in place at some stage. How long do places accept £1 per month? Is it indefinitely? Those where I have the payments in place say I will be subject to review but this has not happened. If I went on WTC would I need to legally inform them?

    3. Go BR. Forget the PW which would loose me the opportunity to increase revenue over a few years. Loose my tv and net in the process of going BR meaning I could not do any hope of work. Hopefully on benefits there will be no IPA in place. After 12 months discharge which ties in with my youngest leaving home, so could start to rebuild life after discharge but it would be a life on benefits, fighting the current cuts to DLA, ESA et all until pension. (I am 60 in 12 years but I think pension age is going up)
    What are the chances of getting tv/net when discharged?

    4. Forget it all and cease to carry on - the pressure is really getting to me and the thought of living in this bedroom without any life whatsoever, fighting for benefits, trying to get the net and tv services again, fills me with dread, it really does.

    I have very little fighting resources due to being poorly. I have little quality of life but do get joy from my family and dogs, tv and net - I can manage with that.

    I have limited time to decide - I have to make a decision in the next few weeks so that by the time my son leaves home we are either BR and released, or working the little I can and fighting the debts, or working the little I can and paying an IPA. It's crunch time. I am desperate

    I beleive my hubbies debts are just over the 15 k for a DRO. Could we feasibly pay the smallest one which is a couple of hundred to bring him below and apply for a DRO? Or is that not allowed? If my husband could go through a DRO it would take some pressure off as a third of his parents house s going to be left to him and I would hate to take no action, his parents die and then he has to go BR and then his equity in the house is taken.

    There is one other possibility. Get a final payment figure for each debt if they are willing to accept 25 percent and pay these over time while working. However I might as well just go BR and pay an IPA in such a case? Will the OR allow a little for tv/net? Dogs? if I make clear these are essential?

    Just to add, I care not about my credit record. We have managed to survive without CC since 2007 and I never want to borrow again, neither does my husband.
    Last edited by twinkie; 15 May 2012, 04:26.

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    Re: Twinkie UE diary

    Hello twinkie, good morning.

    First of all, congratulations on finding us; we pride ourselves on offering guidance and assistance which can literally change lives.

    You appear to be very depressed - this has happened to ALL of us that are in debt and feel like we have no where to turn. Please remember, that being in debt isn't a crime and we can and will help you.

    First of all, please read this thread
    http://forums.all-about-debt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4

    and then, if you could be so kind as to list all of your debts below including the following:

    Type of debt: eg. HSBC credit card
    Amount of debt: eg £10,000
    Date taken out:
    Date last paid:
    Owner of debt: ie. who is writing to you
    Status: ie. defaulted?

    Once we have this information, we can help you a little better.

    In the meantime, I'll ask a couple of our specialist mods to pop over to assist you; your thread has been moved here so that you get the help you need quicker.

    Kind regards

    diddly xx
    If happy little bluebirds fly, beyond the rainbow, why, oh why can't I?

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    • #3
      Re: Twinkie UE diary

      Hi Twinkle

      just with regards to the BR - You wouldn't loose your TV or Net............

      As diddly says, welcome on board here, and if you can lay out as in post #2 each amounts, dates taken out, last payment etc.
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      • #4
        Re: Twinkie UE diary

        Thank you for moving my thread. I will try to get some details up but paperwork is everywhere piled up, just not well enough to sort it but will try to do a little each day.

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        • #5
          Re: Twinkie UE diary

          What might help you, twinkie, is to keep a folder for each debt. Write on the folder which debt it relates to, and keep all correspondence inside. If you do decide to go down the UE route, it is imperative to keep paperwork in order.

          This WILL get easier. We are with you now, you are not on your own xxx
          If happy little bluebirds fly, beyond the rainbow, why, oh why can't I?

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          • #6
            Re: Twinkie UE diary

            Originally posted by twinkie View Post
            Is DLA included in IE for an IPA?
            Is my partners CA included?
            Didn't used to be, but I think they are now.

            Not that this means a lot for most people.

            They could be included in the IPA calculation for surplus income, but no matter what surplus that comes up with it is ONLY earned income that could be claimed.

            So for example if the IPA calc says you have £200 per month surplus, but only £100 pcm of that is earned income and the other £100 is benefits, then they can only ask you to pay out of the non benefit income. i.e. up to and no more than the £100. No matter what the technical surplus.

            If your only possible claimable surplus was from part time work as you describe them I would be very surprised if any IPA was sought.

            Would need to look at a hypothetical budget first though.

            Originally posted by twinkie View Post
            The Internet is extremely important to me, but equally so is digital TV as having to deal with pain etc and stay in bed I need that stimulation because it is ALL I have. We never go out due to my circumstances and hubby has to be here literally 24/7 to care for me. I heard that the OR inform Sky/Virgin of your BR and these services are taken away. That would be devastating for me as its all I have. I also heard that the OR inform your telephone/broadband provider and as mine is about to be an inclusive package with digital TV - the lot will be taken.
            Nope. As long as you can continue to pay, you can keep them.
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            • #7
              Re: Twinkie UE diary

              Hi and Welcome....Can't say anything more that diddlydee has not already said , you are in the right place now for help any question you may have just ask away....remember thier is NO such thing as a silly question......
              Good Luck.........
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              • #8
                Re: Twinkie UE diary

                Originally posted by twinkie View Post
                I beleive my hubbies debts are just over the 15 k for a DRO. Could we feasibly pay the smallest one which is a couple of hundred to bring him below and apply for a DRO? Or is that not allowed? If my husband could go through a DRO it would take some pressure off as a third of his parents house s going to be left to him and I would hate to take no action, his parents die and then he has to go BR and then his equity in the house is taken.
                Possibly?

                Technically your shouldn’t favour one creditor over another, but for such a small amount and not a dishonest reason then might be OK.

                Safest way would be to pay some amounts off as equally as you could across the board to bring him under the limit.

                Something you should really be discussing with an approved DRO intermediary in the event that looks the best way to go for his debts.
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                • #9
                  Re: Twinkie UE diary

                  Originally posted by twinkie View Post
                  However I might as well just go BR and pay an IPA in such a case? Will the OR allow a little for tv/net? Dogs? if I make clear these are essential?
                  The net, yes. As it's become one of those things that can be considered an "essential" for many people.

                  TV? Maybe? If the Net comes in a bundled package with the TV which makes sense financially, then they will often allow the costs of the basic packages.

                  Pets? Yes. Reasonable amounts.

                  I should make it clear from there that the OR cannot say "you can't have this/that".

                  All they can say is whether they can include any expense in a budget purely for the purpose of calculating an IPA.

                  If they disallow something in the calc, you can still have it or spend it. But would be for you to jiggle monthly payments to suit.

                  Obviously if most or all of your income is from benefits that the OR can't touch, then allowing or disallowing such things becomes less of an issue or even completely irrelevan.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Twinkie UE diary

                    Hello Twinkie - can i just say I am so glad you have found us - i can't offer any more than has already been said - but please realise you are not alone and most of all we can offer support

                    x

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                    • #11
                      Re: Twinkie UE diary

                      Hi Twinkie,
                      First of all welcome to AAD, and thankyou for your brave and honest first post.

                      In making the decision to join, and taking the plunge to ask for help, you've probably just taken the hardest step of all in sorting all this out, so very well done.

                      You'll get a tremendous amount of help on moral support on here, whichever way you decide to do things, and you're in control all the way. No judgements, no criticisms.

                      Once we have the basic debt details requested above we can get cracking on the best way forward for you. Don't stess about it, do it at your own pace.
                      I can promise you that once you have everything organised and written down you'll feel a whole lot better and more in control and able to deal with it with our help.

                      Don't be afraid to ask anything you're not sure of, or to just chat about anything if you need to. Lots of us have been in similar circumstances and will understand what you're going through.

                      You're an excellent communicator and its obvious to me that you are a much stronger and braver lady than you give yourself credit for!

                      Hugs,

                      Shep xxx

                      PS Many of us are dog lovers on here too..what dogs have you got?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Twinkie UE diary

                        Thank you all. Not slept for a couple of days due to the pain, in a flare ATM which is exacerbated by the stress. I will try to get some details up.

                        One other thing that concerns me is our energy bill is £217 per month (not quarter) - extra heating etc is needed for me, as weight of blankets is too much most times. We have tried to cut this down and it is slowly going down. I am not in arrears, and I ave sold proof going right back a few years that our energy costs have always been high and that that is what we pay - and proof of no arrears.

                        The rented house we are in is in disrepair - so much so that when we applied for the windows to be sealed and loft to be done and doors on an energy saving scheme, the refused to do the lot. They said the windows where shot at and there was no point putting sealing around them. The back and front door have gaps and are not straight so they couldn't do those either. The loft, while having old stuff, was minimum requirement they said.

                        I have seen much less than this put down for energy and if the OR doesn't allow it I'm going to be stumped.

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                        • #13
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                          Hi Twinkie,

                          A massive welcome to AAD, and well done for taking a first step.

                          I'm going to send you a pm which I'm also going to copy to Niddy, who runs the site. It won't solve your problems, but will hopefully do something towards helping you fairly significantly.

                          Take care, PLEASE try not to worry - I assure you nothing terrible will happen, and post up as much, or as little as you want about absolutely anything on here - it's a very comfortable, safe place to be.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Twinkie UE diary

                            Hi twinkie

                            I can't really add much to what's already been said except to re-iterate that you've come to the right place here.

                            I think many of us having considered that life wasn't worth living when we've been swamped with our debts and unable to pay - and that's without the added health problems (though there are members with a variety of health problems.)

                            Looking at what you say about your debts, UE would appear to be the way to go. I think you're stronger than you're giving yourself credit for and, if you decide on UE, then we're here to offer you help and support x
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                            • #15
                              Re: Twinkie UE diary

                              Wow, you are all wonderful people! I am overwhelmed! I will come back later as honestly I am in a lot of pain at the mo and struggling to focus. Just wanted to let you know how great you all seem to be and thank you for embracing me x

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