Re: Nightwatch & Hubbys Diary of debt
will hold fire for now as they would have sent the letter before receiving mine,
Originally posted by nightwatch
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Tsb trustcard/lloyds cc
still with OC
start date 1978
taken over by Lloyds 1982
ballance £5662.27
defaulted 2002
have just stopped payment as niddy says
26/04 letter from Ltsb "your repayments are in arrears and a payment of £12.00 is required" to avoid further action all payments should be made on the due date agreed.
29/05 Letter from Credit Security Ltd, re Lloyds Tsb, they have been instructed by our client to recover the outstanding debt
to clarify this account, we sent for a CCA,2010, we had back just T&C nothing to link it to the account, and a letter stating that as the account was so old they did'nt have to send a copy of the agreement, but we would have signed one and they will look.
sent a letter under CPUTR asking if they had an agreement or not, replied that we would have signed one and will send it when found, Final responce
SAR sent in the middle is a couple of emails sent to recoberys and back
1, out: client asks for agreement
2,rep: cannot be found, not req from central storage and recoverys as account before the system was started
11/06 letter from Credit security ltd(8/6), they cannot trace receipt of our reply to their recent letter thats coz i diddn't send one
they DEMAND that the sum stated be sent direct to their office IMMEDIATELY using the pay slip attached
failure to do so 'could' result in a DEBT COLLECTOR calling upon us, or the account being refered for legal action
they have still not stated if they have been assigned or sold this account
25/06 letter from Cred sec ltd, dated 22/06, " Dear Mr Nightwatch. You have chosen to disreguard our and our clients previous letters.so they noticed
we do not intend to remind you of your obligations to repay monies owed. then stop sending me letters
If we do not receive a payment and payment proposal within 7 days our DOORSTEP COLLECTOR will be instructed to call upon you for payment the last doorstep collector took it
If payment is not forthcoming we will refer the account to our client with a recommendation for LEGAL ACTION as stated in our previous letter.
letter dated 06/07 from credit security following their recent communication they are pleased to inform us that their client is willing to accept the dum of £4246.70 providing its paid by the 16/07, this will be accepted as partial payment in full and final settlement of the account and the credit file will be updated accordingly.
now to take advantage of this 25% reduction I only have to find £4246.50 (I have 20p) and have it at their office together with the attached slip at the bottom of the letter, no later than MONDAY 16/07/2012
letter dated 09/10/12 from Apex Credit Management,Re Lloyds TSB.it is still with CSL as far as i know? Their client is aware of the difficult financial circumstances that a number of their customers are currently experiencing. must be a lot of us not paying!
as a result they have been authorised to consider a discounted settlement figure against the debt and may be able to offer a substantial discount on the balance, wonder if its any better than the 25% CSL were offering? they would like to explore this option with us, new one on me BUT, it is only available for a period of 10 days from the date of the letter. pity i'm sure it will take me longer to explore my options
To confirm eligibility and take advantage of this enchanced opportunity to clear this debt,we are to contact them without delay, will have a think about that ???? errrrm NO
24/10 letter from apex,( 22/10/12) they are dissapointed that despite their efforts to contact (us twice a day by phone) we have failed to reach any agreement with them, they think we are simply avoiding paying this debt and they must therefore act in the best intrest of their client???
they apparently use !! External Data sources to profile our accounts and believe that you have the abillity to make payments on this account.
Consequently our account will be passed to their internal litigation team in order to consider the best course of action for recovery of the debt outstanding, This MAY include legal action to obtain a CCJ which we may then seek to enforce by way of a charging order or attachment to earnings application.
contact us to prevent further action on this account.WE can take control of our finanices by taking positive action.
will send Sold while in dispute on monday sent
01/11 letter from Apex (31/10)They are sorry to learn that we have had to raise concerns about the account, they will be conducting a thorough investigation into our concerns, When it is complete they will contact us again.
they enclosed a copy of their complaints procedure
17/11 rather long letter from Apex,So to condense it. Reply to sold in dispute letter. they have been in contact with their client who state, they have no record on their system of receiving a CCA request or the £1.00 fee, they have asked that we contact them with a copy of our CCA request and proof that they cashed the £1.00 fee. This was sent in 2010 and shows on a SAR asked for in 2011
they then waffle on about carey and Judge Wacksman stating that the debtor has a legitimate interest in seeing a copy of the agreement he signed, not in the sense of proof of execution, but as information
Under their complaints procedure this is their final responce and they have placed the account on hold for 28 days for us to contact Lloyds with the paperwork requested
8/12 Statement of account from LLoyds but with Apex ref and address on it, showing the last payment in dec 2011, Will be sending letter to Apex monday, stating the CCA was requested in 2010 and it was responded to by Lloyds, who assured me that we would of signed an agreement, and said they would send me a copy when they find it . also pointing out that their final response is a pile off crap as I had not made a formal complaint to them.
11/12 letter sent to apex, pointing out that the cca request was sent in 2010 and lloyds responded to it,also pointed out that the reply from lloyds to my cputr letter said, that we would of signed an agreement and they will send it when found, i am still waiting,
21/12 letter from apex 19/12, they seem to be back-tracking a touch. they point out that lloyds are the legal owners and they are only acting under instruction from lloyds to recover the debt. as such they are dependant upon the quality of information supplied by lloyds
they reiterate that lloyds cannot find any request made by us nor can they locate having received the £1.00 fee.
they have re-refered the account back to lloyds to request they recall the account as they do not believe they can facilitate a mutually benificial arrangement on it
2013
27/04; letter with Lloyds TSB logo on posted on 25/04 but, it came in a robson way envelope and the address header on the letter is PO box 66, Rosyth ? when did the account move to Scotland
any way they go on to say;- As we havent been able to agree a suitable repayment plan, we have transferred your CC account to Robbers way they have been instructed to arrange collection of the outstanding amount WE are to contact RW asap to arrange to payback the outstanding balance cheeky boogars want us to do their job. they'll wait a long time,
1/05 letter from robbing ways(29/04) we have to pay them the outstanding balance without delay. If we do not pay or agree a repayment play they MAY advise their client to start court Proceedings, If a court considers our failure to pay to be due to neglect an order to pay may be made. they go on to list what May happen if we get an order to pay and we don't. they also point out that ' this account may continue to be a worry for us
letter sent to RW thanking them for their threatening letter of introduction and pointing out that the said account has been in dispute since 2011
14/05 letter from RW dated 13/05 headed Immediate action required, I am to call them without delay to pay by my card ? do they take Nectar points ? If we fail to pay further action MAY be taken to recover the amount due etc etc etc...
will ignore as they signed for my SWID letter yesterday
24/05 letter from robbingways(23/05) they would like us to note that ,they note our dispute/query we have raised. They will make all the necessary inquireies and let us know the outcome in due course. They will stop all collection activity for this account for now. If they can be of any further assistance we are to let them know do they do gardens or decorating free ?
6/6 letter from Robbing ways(3/6)In response to our recent contact, their client(lloyds) has advised them that require us to forward a copy of our CCA request to enable further investigation. they will hold our account for 14 days
will send letter pointing out CCa was sent in 2010 was replied to with, 'You would of signed an agreement and they will send it when found' as was the CPUTR letter, and that I am still waiting
Well set letter to robbing ways pointing out when CCA was sent and the reply received, also pointed out that the reply to my CPUTR was the same as the CCA request' you would of signed an agreement when we find it we will send it' and that I am STILL waiting for the copy of the "signed agreement" and I suggested that they found someone that could actually read and understand the contents of letters sent them.
22/08 letter from Robbersway.In resonse to your recent contact, our client has confirmed that the CCA request has been actioned and sent to you directly. we trust this resolves your query and we now require your offer of payment within 14 days.
Now as lloyds had no recolection of the original CCA request, It will be interesting to see what they send, last time it was just typed T&C with Hubbys name and this Address on( we weren't living here when he took out the card) and a sentance at the end of the letter stating he would of signed a CCA on taking out the card,as that is the banks policy, and a copy will be sent as soon as they find it.
Letter from RW Your account remains unpaid despite previous attempts to contact you blah blah blah, contact us to arrange an affordable repayment plan
23/09 letter from Robbersway(20/09) Your account is due to be passed to drysdenfx in the next 10 days, who will contact you to discuss repayment of this account and agree an affordable arrangement. To avoid this please contact us so we can discuss your current circumstances and agree an affordable repayment plan with you
14/10 read my last letter, no CCA received my position not changed, letter sent to RW
17/10 letter from DFX (14/10)they have been instructed by RW, they would like me to pay RW, I am to contact RW,no ruddy way
26/10 letter from dsfax they urge me to deal with this outstanding debt immediately by contacting their clients agent RW ? I thought RW were their client? shall ignore for now as RW not responded to my reminder letter
28/10 letter from RW account on hold
11/12 letter from lloyds.[09/12] they thank us for letting them know about the issue we have with our CC
they understand we believe that as they have been unable to provide a copy of your credit agreement they cannot enforce collection of this debt, and can see from their records that a copy has been requested on a number of occasions
for the avoidance of doubt, the CCA 1974 does not prohibit collection activity when an account is in dispute.Even if the agreement was unenforceable, which we dispute, this would only prevent the bank from seeking recovery of the debt through the court, it does not extinguish the legal effect of the contract. as such we will continue to to persue collection of the account balance
They accept that we have made many requests since that time for a copy of our agreement and they have let us down by not informing us that they are UNABLE to supply this and appologise for the inconvenience caused,
In an effort to put this right they woudls like to offer us £60, £10 for call costs+ £50 for the inconvenience caused
if we would like to accept this we are to CALL 0800xxxxxxx at our earliest convenience
they continue about contacting the FOS if we are unhappy now while we would like the £60 we do not want to call them so do you think we should accept it in writing and also ask them again to remove the AP markers and the 2nd default from the CRAs
Jan 2014 £60 received from Lloyds
20/02 statement of account received from Lloyds
26/07/14, letter from Lloyds,dated 18/07/14, they have assigned this debt to Cabot as of 24/06/14.NOA enclosed, Cabot have appointed Marlin to manage the the account,
so LLoyds have passed the debt to Cabot who are now the data controller, who have passed the leg work to marlin who have enclosed a letter of introduction dated 18/07/14 asking me to contact them in the next 5 days
08/08/14 letter from Marlin they have been passed the debt to recover and need to speak to us to arrange a repayment plan.We should contact them in the next 5 days to arrange to settle the outstanding debt, we are to phone them on 0333xxxxxxx or fill in the Statement of Means form on the reverse of the letter and send it back.
will send ue no CCA and copy of Lloyds letter saying so (not sent)
22/08 letter from Marlin .Dear Sir/Madam. this is hubbys account, do you think they know I deal with it? We have written to you a number of times (once)but received no response correct Because you have not contacted us to organise a mutually agreeable repayment plan, we are now considering advising our client (Cabot)to take further action to recover your debt. oh go on, go on, go on,
if you do not contact us urgently within the next 7 days one of the following actions MAY be taken sharp intake of breath
1. A solicitor being instructed to determine whether our client should consider the commencement of legal action to seek recovery of your debt via the county court. You will be provided with more information of the legal process if this course is taken certainly will Legalese
2. A field agent being instructed to make an appointment to visit you at your home to put you back in touch with us so we can discuss your curcumstances with a view to agreeing an affordable repayment plan. I live surrounded by fields, never knew they had an agent, as I was never in touch why would i need to re-connect (very 60's)hubby would just tell him to talk to me
3. An alternative debt collection agency being instructed to collect your outstanding debt, wow now thats scary let me get my piggy bank
to avoid any of the above listed actions please contact us. OHHh do I have to
29/08 UE no CCA letter sent
04/09 letter from Marlin(28/08) as you have been unable to agree a reasonable repayment plan for your above debt, your account wll now be referred to our clients solicitors,to review your file andDetermine whether our client should commence legal action against you, To prevent such action you must contact us to agree an acceptable repayment proposal within the next 5 days. well as the letter is dated the 28/08 and i didn't get it till 04/09 looks like i'm already out of time
This is a serious matter and you may incur legal costs on your account if successful legal action is taken against you. We therefore look forward to hearing from you on 0333 xxxxxxxsorry to dissapoint.. not
they can't work out postage delivery times this lot can they, they ?
still with OC
start date 1978
taken over by Lloyds 1982
ballance £5662.27
defaulted 2002
have just stopped payment as niddy says
26/04 letter from Ltsb "your repayments are in arrears and a payment of £12.00 is required" to avoid further action all payments should be made on the due date agreed.
29/05 Letter from Credit Security Ltd, re Lloyds Tsb, they have been instructed by our client to recover the outstanding debt
to clarify this account, we sent for a CCA,2010, we had back just T&C nothing to link it to the account, and a letter stating that as the account was so old they did'nt have to send a copy of the agreement, but we would have signed one and they will look.
sent a letter under CPUTR asking if they had an agreement or not, replied that we would have signed one and will send it when found, Final responce
SAR sent in the middle is a couple of emails sent to recoberys and back
1, out: client asks for agreement
2,rep: cannot be found, not req from central storage and recoverys as account before the system was started
11/06 letter from Credit security ltd(8/6), they cannot trace receipt of our reply to their recent letter thats coz i diddn't send one
they DEMAND that the sum stated be sent direct to their office IMMEDIATELY using the pay slip attached
failure to do so 'could' result in a DEBT COLLECTOR calling upon us, or the account being refered for legal action
they have still not stated if they have been assigned or sold this account
25/06 letter from Cred sec ltd, dated 22/06, " Dear Mr Nightwatch. You have chosen to disreguard our and our clients previous letters.so they noticed
we do not intend to remind you of your obligations to repay monies owed. then stop sending me letters
If we do not receive a payment and payment proposal within 7 days our DOORSTEP COLLECTOR will be instructed to call upon you for payment the last doorstep collector took it
If payment is not forthcoming we will refer the account to our client with a recommendation for LEGAL ACTION as stated in our previous letter.
letter dated 06/07 from credit security following their recent communication they are pleased to inform us that their client is willing to accept the dum of £4246.70 providing its paid by the 16/07, this will be accepted as partial payment in full and final settlement of the account and the credit file will be updated accordingly.
now to take advantage of this 25% reduction I only have to find £4246.50 (I have 20p) and have it at their office together with the attached slip at the bottom of the letter, no later than MONDAY 16/07/2012
letter dated 09/10/12 from Apex Credit Management,Re Lloyds TSB.it is still with CSL as far as i know? Their client is aware of the difficult financial circumstances that a number of their customers are currently experiencing. must be a lot of us not paying!
as a result they have been authorised to consider a discounted settlement figure against the debt and may be able to offer a substantial discount on the balance, wonder if its any better than the 25% CSL were offering? they would like to explore this option with us, new one on me BUT, it is only available for a period of 10 days from the date of the letter. pity i'm sure it will take me longer to explore my options
To confirm eligibility and take advantage of this enchanced opportunity to clear this debt,we are to contact them without delay, will have a think about that ???? errrrm NO
24/10 letter from apex,( 22/10/12) they are dissapointed that despite their efforts to contact (us twice a day by phone) we have failed to reach any agreement with them, they think we are simply avoiding paying this debt and they must therefore act in the best intrest of their client???
they apparently use !! External Data sources to profile our accounts and believe that you have the abillity to make payments on this account.
Consequently our account will be passed to their internal litigation team in order to consider the best course of action for recovery of the debt outstanding, This MAY include legal action to obtain a CCJ which we may then seek to enforce by way of a charging order or attachment to earnings application.
contact us to prevent further action on this account.WE can take control of our finanices by taking positive action.
will send Sold while in dispute on monday sent
01/11 letter from Apex (31/10)They are sorry to learn that we have had to raise concerns about the account, they will be conducting a thorough investigation into our concerns, When it is complete they will contact us again.
they enclosed a copy of their complaints procedure
17/11 rather long letter from Apex,So to condense it. Reply to sold in dispute letter. they have been in contact with their client who state, they have no record on their system of receiving a CCA request or the £1.00 fee, they have asked that we contact them with a copy of our CCA request and proof that they cashed the £1.00 fee. This was sent in 2010 and shows on a SAR asked for in 2011
they then waffle on about carey and Judge Wacksman stating that the debtor has a legitimate interest in seeing a copy of the agreement he signed, not in the sense of proof of execution, but as information
Under their complaints procedure this is their final responce and they have placed the account on hold for 28 days for us to contact Lloyds with the paperwork requested
8/12 Statement of account from LLoyds but with Apex ref and address on it, showing the last payment in dec 2011, Will be sending letter to Apex monday, stating the CCA was requested in 2010 and it was responded to by Lloyds, who assured me that we would of signed an agreement, and said they would send me a copy when they find it . also pointing out that their final response is a pile off crap as I had not made a formal complaint to them.
11/12 letter sent to apex, pointing out that the cca request was sent in 2010 and lloyds responded to it,also pointed out that the reply from lloyds to my cputr letter said, that we would of signed an agreement and they will send it when found, i am still waiting,
21/12 letter from apex 19/12, they seem to be back-tracking a touch. they point out that lloyds are the legal owners and they are only acting under instruction from lloyds to recover the debt. as such they are dependant upon the quality of information supplied by lloyds
they reiterate that lloyds cannot find any request made by us nor can they locate having received the £1.00 fee.
they have re-refered the account back to lloyds to request they recall the account as they do not believe they can facilitate a mutually benificial arrangement on it
2013
27/04; letter with Lloyds TSB logo on posted on 25/04 but, it came in a robson way envelope and the address header on the letter is PO box 66, Rosyth ? when did the account move to Scotland
any way they go on to say;- As we havent been able to agree a suitable repayment plan, we have transferred your CC account to Robbers way they have been instructed to arrange collection of the outstanding amount WE are to contact RW asap to arrange to payback the outstanding balance cheeky boogars want us to do their job. they'll wait a long time,
1/05 letter from robbing ways(29/04) we have to pay them the outstanding balance without delay. If we do not pay or agree a repayment play they MAY advise their client to start court Proceedings, If a court considers our failure to pay to be due to neglect an order to pay may be made. they go on to list what May happen if we get an order to pay and we don't. they also point out that ' this account may continue to be a worry for us
letter sent to RW thanking them for their threatening letter of introduction and pointing out that the said account has been in dispute since 2011
14/05 letter from RW dated 13/05 headed Immediate action required, I am to call them without delay to pay by my card ? do they take Nectar points ? If we fail to pay further action MAY be taken to recover the amount due etc etc etc...
will ignore as they signed for my SWID letter yesterday
24/05 letter from robbingways(23/05) they would like us to note that ,they note our dispute/query we have raised. They will make all the necessary inquireies and let us know the outcome in due course. They will stop all collection activity for this account for now. If they can be of any further assistance we are to let them know do they do gardens or decorating free ?
6/6 letter from Robbing ways(3/6)In response to our recent contact, their client(lloyds) has advised them that require us to forward a copy of our CCA request to enable further investigation. they will hold our account for 14 days
will send letter pointing out CCa was sent in 2010 was replied to with, 'You would of signed an agreement and they will send it when found' as was the CPUTR letter, and that I am still waiting
Well set letter to robbing ways pointing out when CCA was sent and the reply received, also pointed out that the reply to my CPUTR was the same as the CCA request' you would of signed an agreement when we find it we will send it' and that I am STILL waiting for the copy of the "signed agreement" and I suggested that they found someone that could actually read and understand the contents of letters sent them.
22/08 letter from Robbersway.In resonse to your recent contact, our client has confirmed that the CCA request has been actioned and sent to you directly. we trust this resolves your query and we now require your offer of payment within 14 days.
Now as lloyds had no recolection of the original CCA request, It will be interesting to see what they send, last time it was just typed T&C with Hubbys name and this Address on( we weren't living here when he took out the card) and a sentance at the end of the letter stating he would of signed a CCA on taking out the card,as that is the banks policy, and a copy will be sent as soon as they find it.
Letter from RW Your account remains unpaid despite previous attempts to contact you blah blah blah, contact us to arrange an affordable repayment plan
23/09 letter from Robbersway(20/09) Your account is due to be passed to drysdenfx in the next 10 days, who will contact you to discuss repayment of this account and agree an affordable arrangement. To avoid this please contact us so we can discuss your current circumstances and agree an affordable repayment plan with you
14/10 read my last letter, no CCA received my position not changed, letter sent to RW
17/10 letter from DFX (14/10)they have been instructed by RW, they would like me to pay RW, I am to contact RW,no ruddy way
26/10 letter from dsfax they urge me to deal with this outstanding debt immediately by contacting their clients agent RW ? I thought RW were their client? shall ignore for now as RW not responded to my reminder letter
28/10 letter from RW account on hold
11/12 letter from lloyds.[09/12] they thank us for letting them know about the issue we have with our CC
they understand we believe that as they have been unable to provide a copy of your credit agreement they cannot enforce collection of this debt, and can see from their records that a copy has been requested on a number of occasions
for the avoidance of doubt, the CCA 1974 does not prohibit collection activity when an account is in dispute.Even if the agreement was unenforceable, which we dispute, this would only prevent the bank from seeking recovery of the debt through the court, it does not extinguish the legal effect of the contract. as such we will continue to to persue collection of the account balance
They accept that we have made many requests since that time for a copy of our agreement and they have let us down by not informing us that they are UNABLE to supply this and appologise for the inconvenience caused,
In an effort to put this right they woudls like to offer us £60, £10 for call costs+ £50 for the inconvenience caused
if we would like to accept this we are to CALL 0800xxxxxxx at our earliest convenience
they continue about contacting the FOS if we are unhappy now while we would like the £60 we do not want to call them so do you think we should accept it in writing and also ask them again to remove the AP markers and the 2nd default from the CRAs
Jan 2014 £60 received from Lloyds
20/02 statement of account received from Lloyds
26/07/14, letter from Lloyds,dated 18/07/14, they have assigned this debt to Cabot as of 24/06/14.NOA enclosed, Cabot have appointed Marlin to manage the the account,
so LLoyds have passed the debt to Cabot who are now the data controller, who have passed the leg work to marlin who have enclosed a letter of introduction dated 18/07/14 asking me to contact them in the next 5 days
08/08/14 letter from Marlin they have been passed the debt to recover and need to speak to us to arrange a repayment plan.We should contact them in the next 5 days to arrange to settle the outstanding debt, we are to phone them on 0333xxxxxxx or fill in the Statement of Means form on the reverse of the letter and send it back.
will send ue no CCA and copy of Lloyds letter saying so (not sent)
22/08 letter from Marlin .Dear Sir/Madam. this is hubbys account, do you think they know I deal with it? We have written to you a number of times (once)but received no response correct Because you have not contacted us to organise a mutually agreeable repayment plan, we are now considering advising our client (Cabot)to take further action to recover your debt. oh go on, go on, go on,
if you do not contact us urgently within the next 7 days one of the following actions MAY be taken sharp intake of breath
1. A solicitor being instructed to determine whether our client should consider the commencement of legal action to seek recovery of your debt via the county court. You will be provided with more information of the legal process if this course is taken certainly will Legalese
2. A field agent being instructed to make an appointment to visit you at your home to put you back in touch with us so we can discuss your curcumstances with a view to agreeing an affordable repayment plan. I live surrounded by fields, never knew they had an agent, as I was never in touch why would i need to re-connect (very 60's)hubby would just tell him to talk to me
3. An alternative debt collection agency being instructed to collect your outstanding debt, wow now thats scary let me get my piggy bank
to avoid any of the above listed actions please contact us. OHHh do I have to
29/08 UE no CCA letter sent
04/09 letter from Marlin(28/08) as you have been unable to agree a reasonable repayment plan for your above debt, your account wll now be referred to our clients solicitors,to review your file andDetermine whether our client should commence legal action against you, To prevent such action you must contact us to agree an acceptable repayment proposal within the next 5 days. well as the letter is dated the 28/08 and i didn't get it till 04/09 looks like i'm already out of time
This is a serious matter and you may incur legal costs on your account if successful legal action is taken against you. We therefore look forward to hearing from you on 0333 xxxxxxxsorry to dissapoint.. not
they can't work out postage delivery times this lot can they, they ?
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