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  • Never-In-Doubt
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    Originally posted by patchouli View Post
    The LBA mentions NOT receiving the CCA.. should I delete that section?
    Yes, wipe the whole paragraph.....

    Correct link is here --> http://forums.all-about-debt.co.uk/s...l=1#post495044

    Your response will read like this......

    Dear Sirs,

    Reference: 123456789

    Thank you for your letter of the xx/xx/xxxx, which for the avoidance of doubt is being treated as a formal letter before action.

    I refer you to the Practice Direction-Pre-Action Conduct (“PD-PAC”). In particular I refer you to paragraph 1 of PD-PAC which states that its purpose is to “enable the parties to settle the issues between them” and to encourage the parties to “exchange information”. Compliance with the PD-PAC will mean that proceedings will be avoided if possible and cases that proceed to trial are dealt with efficiently.

    The court will take into account failure to comply with PD-PAC. I put you on notice that I have asked for copy documents and that you have failed to send copies of them to me. If proceedings are issued I will therefore inform the court of this and ask that sanctions are imposed for this failure and in this regard I refer you to paragraph 4.4 (4) PD-PAC which lists as an example of non-compliance with PD-PAC a circumstance where a party has - “without good reason, not disclosed documents requested to be disclosed”.

    Paragraph 2.2 (1) of Annex A of the PD-PAC places on you an obligation to “list the essential documents on which the Claimant intends to rely” in your letter of claim. I could not identify any such list in your letter of claim. Please list your documents so that I can see the case against me and request copies of anything that I need to assist me in narrowing the issues in this matter. You will note that paragraph 3.2 (3) of Annex A of the PD-PAC permits me to “request further information to enable (me) to provide a full response”. In this instance that request is in the form of a request for documents as the information that I seek is within those documents. Paragraph 5.1 of Annex A states that you should “provide the documents requested by the defendant within as short a period of time as is practicable or explain in writing why the documents will not be provided”.

    For the avoidance of doubt the documents that I require to be sent to me are as follows:
    1. A copy of the original credit agreement;
    2. A copy of the Default Notice;
    3. A copy of the Termination Notice;
    4. A copy of the Notice of Assignment;
    5. Copies of statements;
    6. Copies of any communication between yourselves and the creditor.

    The documents listed above are all ones that I would expect to be disclosed during the course of proceedings and which would likely be in your possession when drafting a claim in any event so their production to me should not cause any difficulty to you. If you do consider that there is difficulty in providing a copy of a document please identify that document and the reason for its non disclosure at this stage.

    Upon receipt of the documents requested and your reply to the above I will respond with the grounds for my defence so that the issues can be identified. I am willing to consider ADR upon receipt of full disclosure of documents. I cannot consider it before then as I will not have the full information before me. Failure to provide full disclosure may therefore result in an opportunity for ADR to be missed; regards paragraph 9.7 of PD-PAC, it is my view that you will be unable to state that there has been the required compliance in the absence of full “cards on the table” disclosure of documents before proceedings have been issued.

    I anticipate being able to provide you with a full response to your aforementioned letter within 14 days of receipt of the documents listed above and also reserve the right to refer to the contents of this letter if proceedings are issued without first providing copy documents to me.

    Yours faithfully,



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  • patchouli
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    Originally posted by PlanB View Post
    Since this account was opened in 2009 it's unlikely to be unenforceable.

    My suggestion would be to send the LBA Response template letter which asks to see the DN and NOA. This was a MBNA account so there may be paperwork errors.

    LBA Response template is here (edit to suit) > http://forums.all-about-debt.co.uk/s...l=1#post495044

    Plan B x

    The LBA mentions NOT receiving the CCA.. should I delete that section?
    Last edited by Never-In-Doubt; 19 November 2015, 11:49. Reason: corrected URL

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  • PlanB
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    Since this account was opened in 2009 it's unlikely to be unenforceable.

    My suggestion would be to send the LBA Response template letter which asks to see the DN and NOA. This was a MBNA account so there may be paperwork errors.

    LBA Response template is here (edit to suit) > http://forums.all-about-debt.co.uk/s...l=1#post495044

    Plan B x
    Last edited by PlanB; 19 November 2015, 12:37.

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  • patchouli
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    Originally posted by nightwatch View Post
    Hold fire for one min while I check with the gang if you should also request another CCA xx

    could you find the CCA you received and send it to Niddy so he can see if it is UE or not ? webmaster@all-about-debt.co.uk
    don't blank anything out only he sees it

    just sent in .zip form

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  • patchouli
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    righto.. will dig it out :-)

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  • nightwatch
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    edited my last post xx

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  • patchouli
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    okies

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  • nightwatch
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    Hold fire for one min while I check with the gang if you should also request another CCA xx

    could you find the CCA you received and send it to Niddy so he can see if it is UE or not ? webmaster@all-about-debt.co.uk
    don't blank anything out only he sees it
    Last edited by nightwatch; 19 November 2015, 10:27.

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  • patchouli
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    Originally posted by nightwatch View Post
    was the agreement sent to niddy for checking, if so did he say it was Enforceable or not, were the T&C's with it?

    Either way you may need to send a LBA to Kearns
    I dont think it was no...... OK will send LBA. Thank you

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  • nightwatch
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    was the agreement sent to niddy for checking, if so did he say it was Enforceable or not, were the T&C's with it?

    Either way you may need to send a LBA to Kearns

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  • patchouli
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    • Type of account MBNA CC (hubbys)

    • Date commenced pre 2007 (read quote below)

    • Approx balance £2455.73

    • Date last paid £20 December 2013

    • Are you on arrangement or not paying being a goon again! *sigh* have learnt lesson though now

    • Status Default so goodness knows where the money is going?

    • Account owner Link Financial Outsourcing
    • Current state of play


    OK found this on Noddle today 22nd May 2014... so the pre 2007 must be rubbish... I honestly thought it was before 2007... oh well
    Account start date
    12/02/2009

    Account end date
    30/03/2013

    Date of default
    31/01/2013

    Default balance
    £ 2,790
    19th February sent a CCA request
    26th February (dated 24th) letter arrived confirming my request for CCA. They don't have the documents so have asked MBNA for it.
    22nd May (dated 21st may) CCA arrived and signed by hubby on 8th Feb 2009....
    1st December 2014 LINK FINANCIAL letter suddenly arrives from LINK outsourcing..?? "Statement of account"
    7th April 2015 LINK FINANCIAL You haven't called us.
    8th June 2015 LINK FINANCIAL Statement of account arrives again.
    26th October 2015 Letter from LINK FINANCIAL saying they give us 14 days notice that the account will be passed to MESSRS KEARNS solicitors without further reference to us.
    18th November KEARNS SOLICITORS sent a LETTER BEFORE ACTION . We have 14 days to pay outstanding balance or they will issue court proceedings.

    18th November KEARNS SOLICITORS sent a LETTER BEFORE ACTION . We have 14 days to pay outstanding balance or they will issue court proceedings.

    What now?

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  • patchouli
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    Originally posted by patchouli View Post
    No he used my personal paypal account and Ebay account to 'test' the water.... sold about 100 drones and we got scammed by 'complaints' people not getting drones, drones not as expected.... all BS... But They complained via Paypal and not Ebay so PP froze my account, refunded all the complainers and Ebay still want sellers fees paid even though we didn't actually make any money, in fact we lost money as we had to pay for the drones...
    Update, my adult child visited and logged in to their ebay account from our house last week, their account has now been restricted as it is linked with ours. Apparently it goes on IP address... damn it!

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  • patchouli
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    Cheers

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  • The Tech Clerk
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    yes

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  • patchouli
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    Re: Patch's Diary

    • Type of account MBNA CC (hubbys)

    • Date commenced pre 2007 (read quote below)

    • Approx balance £2455.73

    • Date last paid £20 December 2013

    • Are you on arrangement or not paying being a goon again! *sigh* have learnt lesson though now

    • Status Default so goodness knows where the money is going?

    • Account owner Link Financial Outsourcing
    • Current state of play


    19th February sent a CCA request



    26th February (dated 24th) letter arrived confirming my request for CCA. They don't have the documents so have asked MBNA for it.
    22nd May (dated 21st may) CCA arrived and signed by hubby on 8th Feb 2009....
    1st December 2014 LINK FINANCIAL letter suddenly arrives from LINK outsourcing..?? "Statement of account"
    7th April 2015 LINK FINANCIAL You haven't called us.
    8th June 2015 LINK FINANCIAL Statement of account arrives again.
    26th October 2015 Letter from LINK FINANCIAL saying they give us 14 days notice that the account will be passed to MESSRS KEARNS solicitors without further reference to us.
    26th October 2015 Letter from LINK FINANCIAL saying they give us 14 days notice that the account will be passed to MESSRS KEARNS solicitors without further reference to us.

    What should I do? Sit and wait for the solicitors letter?

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