Police request for driver information

[oscar]

Re: Police request for driver information

Got done a few weeks ago doing 74 in a temporary 50 on the motorway in the middle of the night. Can't say for sure if all of the signs were correctly placed, lit up, etc. Looks like it's going to court

Go to your local authority/council (assuming it was near home) and ask them for a copy of the "Temporary Planning Order" that enabled the enforcement of the reduced speed restriction. If there is no such order, the limit cannot be enforced.

[SXGuy]

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Ok I was told at the speed awareness course that temp speed restrictions due to Road works for example can't be enforced as they are suggested speed limits and not set in stone. I don't know the rules surrounding the speed cameras they put up but that's what I was told. Did the speed signs have a red circle round the speed limit? Apparently again if it doesn't it's unenforceable.

[billytommo]

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The stretch of motorway concerned is the best part of 100 miles from where I live so I would have to weigh up whether it was worth a special trip. I have received and returned the NIP and then received a court summons. It does state that the offence comes under the "M6/M6 Toll Motorways (M6 Junction 10a-13) (Temporary Restriction and Prohibition of Traffic) order 2013".

Can't remember the signs and whether they were lit or had red borders. I know that there is a lot that they can be challenged on with these kind of things as one box not ticked and you spot it then it gets kicked out but it's having the balls to do it as, if you lose, the financial penalties don't bear thinking about

[billytommo]

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I have had a look and upon investigation, the stretch of motorway has had a "variable mandatory speed limit (VMSL)" system implemented. From what I can gather, this system can be in one of three states: normal, VMSL to manage congestion or incident management. If these signs were on, which one has to presume they were, surely it has to be under incident management circumstances as there couldn't possibly have been congestion at 03:30 in the morning! I wonder if a log is kept of when these signs are switched to whatever mode and the reasons(s) for so doing??? Or am I simply flogging a dead horse??

[oscar]

Re: Police request for driver information

I have had a look and upon investigation, the stretch of motorway has had a "variable mandatory speed limit (VMSL)" system implemented. From what I can gather, this system can be in one of three states: normal, VMSL to manage congestion or incident management. If these signs were on, which one has to presume they were, surely it has to be under incident management circumstances as there couldn't possibly have been congestion at 03:30 in the morning! I wonder if a log is kept of when these signs are switched to whatever mode and the reasons(s) for so doing??? Or am I simply flogging a dead horse??

Don't think its a dead horse.

As you say, unlikely to be congestion, but I would think you would have noticed big flashing signs on the gantry.

Could it have been an average speed camera? Know they have those on the M6

[billytommo]

Re: Police request for driver information

It was the average speed cameras I think. It states the stretch of motorway as I said so, a bit of searching on the internet and I've come to the conclusion that it must be the electronic speed signs on gantries above the motorway. They are intended, so they say, to smooth out traffic and stop it becoming stop-start, in the event of congestion or incidents, for example. I can vaguely remember passing them but I'd just travelled over 100 miles to get to that point, out of a total journey distance of well over 200 miles. Is anyone going to remember their whole journey?