PM's Plan To Axe Housing Benefit For The Young

[pompeyfaith]

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My two pence worth here, the current system is fucked, however Cameron is going about it the wrong way take me as a classic example Stroke 1990 went back to work 1992 claimed nothing as employer kept my job open for me to return after 2 years recovery and paid me full wages through out.

Stayed in work until April 2007 when the financial bubble crashed and we entered recession never claimed any disability benefits or help from local council for these 15 years I managed to stay in work despite having an entitlement why? two reasons one I was earning well and thus did not need it and two morality I figured right or wrong that there was someone in more need than me.

Now get to 2007 where jobs from my local press had gone from 25+ pages to just 3 pages getting work was going to be very hard indeed for me with the disabilities the stroke left me with however that was not going to stop me so the interview cycle it was 75 of such I had and nothing many could even be bothered to let me know and one even told me straight no chance mate not with your disabilities I have too many able bodied in the cue and you should be on disability benefits.....

That upset me at first and going home on the bus thinking about it was tough, however maybe he was right so I decided to go to my GP for a chat with him and he suggested I go for more physiotherapy knowing that it would do me no good due to the time passed but it would be a way onto incapacity benefit and an end to the Jobcentre slaughter.

btw since from 2007 I have never claimed mortgage interest relief and have no intentions too why? because the mortgage is mine and was my choice to buy it so why should the Govt subsidise it.

Yes we all know the govt rip off the taxpayer with second homes etc and pay less tax than us but that is them and not me.

So what I am I getting at here? well as you can see I have limited welfare help for me as much as possible but now I do need the help it is not there I am currently going through the brutal wrath of ESA migration and my DLA has never been right from the start.

I am still a taxpayer as I pay it on secondary taxation like VAT and Fuel etc.

The DWP even tried to take away £18k in carers allowance my wife got for caring not only for me but also her mum who lives with us.

We also have saved the Govt thousands in letting her live here thus no care home or carers fees.

The DWP are off our backs now for the carers allowance due to me sending a rant letter similar to what I have written here.

It seems to me the wrong citizens are being helped.

[kilasuit]

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my point is on the long term unemployed that in comparison to myself have little in hoops to jump through.

I know in most cases i'm fighting a loosing battle but i want to see this country get its self outta the mess its in.

on a different note i'd like to volenteer for CAB whilst i'm jobsearching

this going to have any ramifications on my JSA?

[Never-In-Doubt]

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What i was saying is that if I was earning 100K and lost my job, IMHO why should I get a greater benefit payment than someone who was say a nurse on a much lower salary..or someone who worked for McDonalds. Benefits should be there for someone to live but not for someone to live at the level they were accustomed to.

Because you'd have paid £20k at least into the system whereas a nurse on say £30k would have paid around £5k into the system.

Lets not be all PC about it, the fact remains we have the mega-rich avoiding the system and yet they want to be Knighted and called Sir (Branson for a start) yet only when it suits them cos right now he doesn't want to pay into our tax system yet want's to be a Brit... go figure

I digress; the point is the problem is at the core. It's filled full of shyte and bad decisions and the only way to resolve it IMO is to go back to basics. Scrap welfare altogether and replace it with a system of 'you've paid in so we'll give some back' kinda style.

For instance, why should an 18yo school leaver that has contributed nothing to society get the same money as an ex CEO that maybe used to earn £300k per annum? they shouldn't - there is no two ways about that. But for the same token, everyone should be given a chance so maybe allocate something like 6 months of benefits in every year to those able to work under the age of 30.

The reason JC+ use ages to determine things is like with most things, benefits (JSA/UB in particular) is actually paid in relation to RITY's (relevant income tax years) which basically means you get 'left alone' for 6 months is you get Contribution based JSA as the fact would be in the previous 2 years you'd paid into the system. If you got Income based that'd be because you have not paid enough tax in the qualifying period and thus you'd get hassled to find work immediately plus usually get a lower amount.

I don't know how to fix it, but I do know it's a joke. I've never claimed in my life, and don't intend on doing so. I've been unemployed, like most people, however I always get by - i'd clean McDonalds toilets if it meant dinner for the kids or nothing.

That's the problem. Too many people think they have a right to a decent lifestyle, they don't. You earn those rights.

We are not a communist state thus we are not all equal and class is a major contributor. I am council through and through, proud of my roots. But now I have worked hard (very hard) and thus we own a nice house in a nice area - but I am still a council boy and common as muck. I mean, my head isn't up my own arse but then I had to work to get what I have (so did the wife of course), so why should others get it for free? In my old council estate the neighbour had more holidays than me (and we had 3 a year at that time).. go figure considering she was on benefits - nice to know my tax contributed to her tan, yet here I was scrimping and saving to buy a nicer house.

Yea, the system is just awesome isn't it?

[billypre]

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But if you earned 100k even in 1 year you would have paid more in tax than JSA & HB entitlements

Be better to replace "would" with "should" in my opinion.


Just sounds like more "divide & conquer" by the Tories while they drag their feet on the rich and priveledged who seem to control all the power and wealth and yet syphen it all off into K2 systems and tax avoidance.

[jon1965]

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Niddy
On some levels I agree and on others I do not.
Of course you have seen the hell that is the DWP

I have no time for tax avoidance even when it is legal and I think as I have said before that everyone should pay there fair share.

I also believe that welfare should be a net to catch the poor and the vulnerable and should be a basic level for those of working age with premiums for disabled people by all means if they have extra expenses.

No we do not live in a communist state and not everyone is equal, but on that note not everyone has the same capabilities. So as long as they contribute in a way they can, then welfare should be there or them if they need it.
It's all well and good being the CEO of McDonalds, but without the 16 year old crew member you wouldn't have a job and in that everyone should be treated with the same respect.

Niddy is spot on, too many people think that they have a right to a nice house and money and holidays in spain. Welfare is not that , welfare is the ability to pay your bills and feed yourself etc.

I do not advocate giving everything to everyone but what I hate with a passion is the daily mail style of reactionary crap that makes some people believe that everyone who is sick is a scrounger, that all council estate girls just want to get pregnant to get a council flat or that every immigrant has come here for an easy life and have no real reason to flee their country of birth.

[PriorityOne]

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Niddy

I do not advocate giving everything to everyone but what I hate with a passion is the daily mail style of reactionary crap that makes some people believe that everyone who is sick is a scrounger, that all council estate girls just want to get pregnant to get a council flat or that every immigrant has come here for an easy life and have no real reason to flee their country of birth.

Don't you mean The Sun?..... lol

Pitched at a reading age of around 12 years of age..... it's very easy to convince masses of people (through senstationalised reporting) that all sorts is "true"..... that's if you can find any actual news amongst the tits and football.

[jon1965]

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Nope I mean the Daily Mail..evil rag.
Long gone are the days when anyone took what The Scum says seriously.
The Mail is more evil because it is sensationalist and they know their market. They write headlines that have little or no bearing on the story. I hate the paper with a passion .

Now I am a bit concerned that i am sitting on the fence

[PriorityOne]

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If there was going to be a benefit shake-up it should have been during the so-called 'boom' years when you could assume that many of the long-term unemployed were just abusing the system because there were jobs available, however, the global economic meltdown caused by the Financial $ector has left the country - and most of the world - in a never ending recession where many qualified people find it hard to find work and are forced to resort to benefits

Very well said FP.....