Oct Revolution's UE Diary

[ScabHunter]

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Now this is fascinating, as it makes me wonder what Crapbot are doing.

I've also got a long-standing Crapbot issue, which was passed to Clarity at the end of last month. This was after two years of virtual inactivity. At the time, I thought they had done this because Clarity are located just a short bus ride away from where I live, so they could cheaply use doorstep harassment tactics.

Of course, it could just be coincidence. If they have farmed a load of these accounts out at the same time, that may not have entered into their “thinking” at all.

The drivel I got sounds pretty much the same as yours, with a derisory settlement offer on the first letter. I have chosen not to respond to this, but to wait for Clarity to send something directly. Then I'll respond with something similar to the “Account sold in dispute” letter, but with a few bits added to cover doorstep visits. As they are based so close to where I live, I'll get my retaliation in first.

Also, looking at that excellent diary you have kept, it looks as though you must have had EXACTLY the same string of silly letters that I had, all the way from Crapbot through FIRE and now on to Clarity. It looks like they're just sending out bulk drivel without taking any notice of individual circumstances.

Anyway, I'll keep watching this thread and updating my own. If you want to see the first post in the Clarity episode of my saga, it is here -

allaboutFORUMS - View Single Post - ScabHunter v Crapbot Farcical

SH

[Oct Revolution]

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Now this is fascinating, as it makes me wonder what Crapbot are doing.

Also, looking at that excellent diary you have kept, it looks as though you must have had EXACTLY the same string of silly letters that I had, all the way from Crapbot through FIRE and now on to Clarity. It looks like they're just sending out bulk drivel without taking any notice of individual circumstances.

Anyway, I'll keep watching this thread and updating my own. If you want to see the first post in the Clarity episode of my saga, it is here -

SH

Hi Scabhunter,

and thanks for that. Yeah looks like we have had pretty much the same from Cabot et al.

I did have Clarity on another of my accounts but that was Egg

ACCOUNT 9
Egg

BUT they soon ran off with their tail between their legs and passed it on to Fredricksons.

[Oct Revolution]

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ACCOUNT 1

First Direct (Metropolitan Collection Services)


Activity:
6/10/10 - CCA Request sent
22/10/10 - letter rec'd from MCS "not in a position to respond to my request; once we are will respond with relevant documetation."

10/12/11 - After almost 15 months of no contact I've finally heard from Metropolitan Collection services: "....we enclose a copy of your executed agreement inc. terms and conditions....consequently we now require your offer of payment....". All they have provided is a one page application form and nothing else. The copy is a really bad one too. NID says copy is illegible so as it stands it's UE. Ignore and see what happens next.

19/01/12 - Letter rec'd from METROPOLITAN: "....agreement to hold this acc has now expired and you have failed to contact us....we now require payment....you must telephone us to avoid possibility of legal action....we now require your offer of payment....failure to contact us in 7 days will result in continued recovery action...." I2D says send CCA Query - Application Form Received - Letter sent.

08/03/12 - Same letter as above rec'd from METROPOLITAN - will ignore.

24/03/12 - Letter rec’d from Metropolitan: “…disappointed not been able to come to agreement…call us immediately to discuss proposals…may agree discount…repayment or settlement proposal…contact us today…”. I will IGNORE

17/04/12 - letter rec'd from Metropolitan: "...you have failed to make payment as requested...no alternative but to take further action...may involve doorstep collection...legal proceeding...CCJ...bailiff visiting...attachment of earnings...further legal fees added to debt...contact us to arrange payment...". Advised to send "Creditor refusal to accept UE" letter.

01/05/12 - Letter rec'd from Metropolitan: "...in response to last letter...CCA is enforceable....burden lies with borrower to demonstrate to the court that the Bank has failed...any further costs will be met by you...we require your payment proposals in next 14 days...". I will IGNORE and see what they send next.

08/05/12 - Letter rec'd from Metropolitan: "...we are referring your acc to DG Solicitors who will contact you direct...they have been selected to help/understand your circumstances...where possible agree an affordable re-payment plan...". Will wait to see what DG Solicitors send next.

12/05/12 - Letter received from D G Solicitors: "...We act for HSBC...despite demand payment has not been made...we may be instructed to take legal action...obtain CCJ...to avoid pay within 14 days or make arrangements for re-payment...please contact us...". Niddy says send "Threat of litigation" - Letter sent.

02/0612 - Letter rec'd from DG Solicitors: "...IMPORTANT YOU RESPOND TO THIS COMMUNICATION...please call us within 24 hours...if you DO NOT it may NOT be possible to avoid legal action...". I will ignore and see what they do next.

Hi Niddy/I2D,

I have an update to above account:

UPDATE: 11/06/12:

Letter rec'd from DG Solicitors: "......despite a number of attempts to contact you...disappointed we have not rec'd payment proposals...our client is willing to agree reasonable repayment proposals...please call to discuss..."

I assume I ignore and see what they do/send next?

many thanks

[Never-In-Doubt]

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I would send a cover letter saying "see attached" and send a copy of the last letter, ie the threat of litigation from earlier in may (12th?)

[The Tech Clerk]

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D.G. are the pits, they hope to get CCJ by default even when you are in the middle of makeing arrangements/or have arrangement in place, they try the Northampton C.C. route, be very careful they have done this in a 7 day period in the past I was informed.

[Never-In-Doubt]

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^^^ we got Paul. Though. They don't



But agreed, they is dirty bastards thus my suggestion he does respond.

[Oct Revolution]

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Thanks Niddy and Gangshield,

I will do as you have suggested Niddy and send a covering letter with copy of "Threat of Litigation" letter from 12th may 2012

Many thanks

[Oct Revolution]

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ACCOUNT 3

Tesco Personal Finance

Activity:
06/10/10 - CCA Request sent
05/11/10 - CCA rec'd (e-mailed to NID for advice)
09/11/10 - NID syas :UE "T&C's rec'd" letter sent
16/11/10 - Letter rec'd from Tesco in reply to last: Stating "CCA is true copy; consider account not to be in dispute; will pursue for full payment; will not enter into further correspondence over alleged CCA breaches" - NID says bog standard letter to ignore.

08/01/11 -Letter rec'd from Tesco (dated 20/12/10) “as you have failed to respond to banks previous demands, we have no alternative but to commence further proceedings for recovery…….we urge you to call to resolve this matter……..failure to do so may result in account being passed to external DCA without further warning or delay”. Ignored last letter.

20/01/11 - Letter rec'd from TRITON "Tesco have placed your account with us for immediate collection.......to avoid further action forward cheque for full amount by return...or pay by credit card over the phone.....if unable to make payment call office immediately......" NID says send "account sold whilst in dispute of CCA request" letter.

21/01/11 - Above letter sent.
24/01/11 - Calls received daily from Triton - Ignoring/Not answering.
04/02/11 - Letter rec'd from Triton: “disappointed that you’ve failed to make payment or repayment proposals…..no alternative but to consider further action…may be appropriate to request a debt recovery agent call on you to discuss repayment…would prefer not to take this action so call to discuss outstanding balance”

10/02/11 - NID says send "harassment/doorstep visit" template. Letter sent.
12/02/11 - Letter rec'd from Triton: “..we remain disappointed you have failed to settle debt/make repayment proposals….we have now recommended to Tesco that solicitors be instructed to commence court proceedings which you would be liable for costs……" NID says send "Threat by Lender/DCA - To commence Litigation".

14/02/11 - Above letter sent.
19/02/11 - Letter from Tesco received in response to my “Threat o gram – to commence litigation” letter sent to Triton:“ we do not consider acc to be in dispute….have fully complied with CCA request….indebtedness remains due and payable and will pursue for full repayment….this is our final response…if dissatisfied with this final response you may refer concern to FOS…..” NID says their final response so ignore.

22/02/11 - letter rec'd from Tesco in response to my Threat o gram "doorstep visit" letter, in which they say "can not uphold my complaint as acc still remains unpaid and acc is enforceable". I will file and ignore and see what happens next.

01/03/11 - Letter rec'd from Tesco (which is exactly the same one as I received on 08/01/11): “as you have failed to respond to banks previous demands, we have no alternative but to commence further proceedings for recovery…….we urge you to call to resolve this matter……..failure to do so may result in account being passed to external DCA without further warning or delay”. Nid says send Threat by lender/DCA to commence litigation. Letter sent.

30/03/11 - Letter rec’d from Green & Co Solicitors: “….instructed by our client Triton/Tesco….despite formal demand, amount remains unpaid….we are likely to be instructed to commence court proceedings….” NID says send "Threat o gram - before action". Letter sent

14/04/11 - Letter from Triton in response to my last letter: “….write with ref to recent correspondence ….our records show Tesco complied with your CCA request with all relevant docs….further to this Tesco issued a letter saying had complied with CCA 1974 and payment is due….and finally issued you a further letter with a final response again confirming all above and that acc is not in dispute….Therefore the balance is due for immediate collection…. contact us within 7 days to discuss repayment proposals….failure to comply will leave us no alternative but to take further action without warning or delay….”. NID says ignore and see what happens next.

20/05/11 - Rec'd a yellow card (in an envelope) from Allied International Credit (UK) Ltd: "....our client has informed us a Formal Demand has been made....payment of full balance must be paid immediately....if you want to discuss acc contact us...." NID says ignore for time being.

29/06/11 - Telephone harassment letter sent.

05/07/11 - The letter has worked as calls seem to have stopped for now.

13/08/11 - Rec'd letter from AIC: ".... early settlement offer of 25%....as account remains unpaid we are reviewing your acc to consider if further action is warranted....please contact us.....failure to do so may result in a recommendation to our client that proceedings should be initiated...." NID says ignore.

13/09/11 - rec'd letter from AIC - similar to last one (I wonder if they will send one every month !) - Will ignore.

23/11/11 - Letter rec'd from Fredrickson International: “….instructed by Tesco to collect outstanding balance….you have failed to pay outstanding balance despite repeated requests….full payment now due to avoid further action….contact us IMMEDIATELY to discuss this matter….payment should be made to Fredrickson International LTD….” NID says to IGNORE

02/12/11 - Letter from Fredrickson: "LETTER BEFORE ACTION....this debt must be paid in full in next 7 days otherwise we will take immediate action....legal action now being considered....further additional costs will be added....bailiff may call....judgement would affect future credit....pay now...." I2D says send "Threat o Gram letter Before Action" - letter sent.

10/12/11 - Yellow Letter rec'd from Fredrickson: "CONFIRMED RESIDENT....acc seriously in arrears...you have failed to correspond or make payment despite trace enquiries showing you live at this address....contact us.... failure to arrange payment your acc will be passed to solicitors with authorisation to proceed with immediate proceedings against you...." I2D says ignore as its crossed with my last letter.

16/12/11 - Letter from Fredrickson in response to my "threat o gram before action" letter:
".....we have referred matter to client....will revert to you when instructions rec'd....acc placed on hold....". will file and see what happens next.

23/12/11 - Letter from Fredricksons: "....we have been in contact with you....you informed us information in respect to this debt was incorrect....we provided details of dispute to our client who now state debt details are correct....we would like to discuss matter with you....please call us in next 7 days....". NID says wait and see what their next move is

06/01/12 - Letter rec'd from Bryan Carter Solicitors: ".....payment must be made in next 14 days....failing we will recommend to client that proceedings be issued without further notice....additional charges will be added....before we refer acc for litigation you have an opportunity to contact Fredricksons with payment proposals...." NID says send "threat to commence litigation" - letter sent

24/05/12 - Letter rec'd from Westcot (new DCA for this acc): "....we have been instructed by Tesco to collect outstanding balance....to avoid further action pay debt in full or contact us....failure to do so will result in further recovery action...." I will IGNORE and see what their next move is.

02/06/12 - Letter rec'd from Westcot: "....FINAL NOTICE ....our latest enquiries confirm you are resident at this address....contact us in next 10 days or further collection activities will begin....please do not ignore....we or client could take legal action against you....or refer debt to a door step collection agency....it is very important you take IMMEDIATE action to resolve this issue....contact us...." I will IGNORE and see what they do next.

Hi Niddy/I2D,

I have an update to above acc:

UPDATE: 14/06/12

Letter rec'd from Nelson Guest & Partners: "....we are instructed by Westcot as a final attempt to avoid further action to offer you a discount....limited period only....contact Westcot....if no settlement agreed we will continue to recover full amount...we may be able to offer a realistic payment plan....if no contact in next 10 days further recovery action will be taken....contact Westcot...."


I assume I ignore the above and see what they do next.

many thanks

[Deepie]

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Hi Niddy/I2D,

I have an update to above acc:

UPDATE: 14/06/12

Letter rec'd from Nelson Guest & Partners: "....we are instructed by Westcot as a final attempt to avoid further action to offer you a discount....limited period only....contact Westcot....if no settlement agreed we will continue to recover full amount...we may be able to offer a realistic payment plan....if no contact in next 10 days further recovery action will be taken....contact Westcot...."


I assume I ignore the above and see what they do next.

many thanks

I Would............

[Oct Revolution]

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I Would............

Thanks I2D - I'll do just that.

[Oct Revolution]

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ACCOUNT 4

MBNA (Experto Credite)


Activity:
06/10/10 - CCA Request sent

31/12/11 - Letter rec'd from Experto Credite along my CCA. Niddy says and to blag for moment and see what happens !!!

03/01/12 - Telephone harassment letter sent.

20/01/12 - Letter rec'd from Experto Credite (in response to my last letter):....we are happy to deal with this matter in writing....we will keep your telephone number on record should our letters remain unanswered....level of contact from us complies with guidelines....look forward to payment/repayment proposals within 14 days....". I will ignore and see what happens next.

12/03/12 - Letter rec'd from AKTIV KAPITAL: ".... we have recently purchased your debt....please contact us to pay outstanding balance....". I2D says to send "account sold whilst in dispute". Letter sent

24/03/12 - letter from Aktiv Kapital in response to my last letter: “…we will contact OC to resolve this matter…acc is on hold and removed from collection process whilst we await requested info…”

04/04/12 - Letter received from AKTIV KAPITAL along with a copy of my CCA (the CCA is the same copy as received by Experto Credite on 31/12/11 which Niddy deemed ) The letter says: "...refer to previous communication...please find enclosed copy of CCA ... further documentation will be sent upon receipt...". I2D says send "CCA Query - missing perscribed terms" - so continuing to BLAG - letter sent.

19/04/12 - Letter from Aktiv Kapital: “…refer to your last letter…you have suggested docs are not adequate…we do not agree…only a court can decide this…we do not anticipate issuing proceedings at this time…negotiated settlement is our preferred option…in view of this contact us in next 21 days to arrange payment proposals…” I2D says IGNORE and see what their next move is.

11/05/12 - Letter rec'd from Aktiv Kapital: "...we have cross referenced your CCA with various legislative/regulatory rules you quoted...find no grounds that CCA is not enforceable...CCA contains all prescribed terms...we have fulfilled our obligations and court would be rule in our favour...not our policy to recover debt through courts unless forced to do so...leave us no alternative but to consider this...we are committed to assisting you if current financial circumstances prevent from paying...please consider content of letter carefully and receive in spirit it is intended...if you disregard...leave us with no alternative...further action may be considered...". I2D says send "Threat o gram before action". Letter sent.

25/05/12 - Letter received from Aktiv Kapital: "...can not comment on your suggestions that there has been breaches of S77-S79...even if breach did occur it has now been remedied with documents supplied...similar documents have been accepted by courts as evidence of an agreement and unpaid debt... if you feel docs supplied are not true copy i would invite you to provide me with particulars...why do copies not correspond with agreement you entered into...court would not accept without supporting evidence...unreasonable to accept your point on bare allegations...we look forward to hearing from you...". I will wait and see what they do next.

Hi Niddy/I2D,

I have an update to above account:

UPDATE: 15/06/12:

Letter rec'd from Aktiv Kapital: "...we refer to our letter of 25/05/12 and not we have had no reply... in the circumstances we shall consider this line of correspondence closed....".

I assume their is nothing I need to do/send back and await to see what they do next?

many thanks

[Deepie]

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^^^^I Would........

[Oct Revolution]

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^^^^I Would........

many thanks - will do

[Oct Revolution]

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ACCOUNT 2

Citibank (Collect Direct UK) Now with Opus

Activity:
6/10/10 - CCA Request sent to Collect Direct DCA
6/11/10 - Letter from DCA asking me to contact OC direct for CCA
9/11/10 - "DCA declining CCA request" letter sent back to DCA
1/12/10 - Another letter from DCA asking me to contact OC direct for CCA. Will now send CCA request to OC (Citicard) as per NID's instructions.

14/12/10 - CCA request sent to OC (Citicard)
05/01/11 - Above letter not delivered yet; according to Royal Mail Track and Trace letter being re-directed !
06/01/11 - Letter from Collect Direct "payment arrangement revoked - must contact them within 5 days to arrange alternative or may advise client to take legal action". Ignored last letter.

14/01/11 - Letter from Collect Direct: "URGENT NOTICE. Must make a payment or contact them to discuss payment arrangement or will advise client to issue court proceedings.

17/01/11 - "Threat O Gram before court action" letter sent sent to Collect Direct.
19/01/11 - NID's says shouldn't have sent last letter - too late now as letter received - see what happens next.
19/01/11 - Nid says send CCA reminder to Citi.
20/01/11 - CCA reminder sent to Citi.
24/01/11 - Letter from H L Legal "we act on behalf of Collect Direct....pay in next 7 days or will recommend legal action.... a claim for associated cost and interest will be made......hope course of action can be avoided by contacting client to make arrangements to pay" - NID says ignore.

17/02/11 - Letter received today from Opus: “we are sorry you have reason to complain….we should be able to send you a full response within 8 weeks” Will file and see what happens next

01/03/11 - CCA received from Opus; Nid says send CCA Query T&C's supplied template. Letter sent.

03/06/11 - Letter from Cabot Financial: "....we have recently bought acc from Opus/Citi....please call to arrange payment...." Nid says send "Account sold whilst in dispute" template. Letter sent.

11/06/11 - Letter from Cabot: "....looking into complaint....will respond in 20 days...."

07/07/11 - Letter from Cabot: "....still looking into complaint....will require a further 20 days to respond...."

21/07/11 - Letter from Opus in response to my letter of 01/03/11 "...we have provided CCA which complies with CCA 1974....at the moment we are unable to trace copy of signed application form....however we confirm our procedure has always been to obtain customers sig ....as such we are confident CCA is enforceable....failure to make payments will result in collection activities...." Will ignore for now.

01/08/11 - Letter from Cabot: "....still looking into complaint....will have to contact Opus for further info....will contact me again when info received...." Will file and ignore for now.

21/09/11 - letter from Cabot: "....have received info from Opus who have forwarded relevant info which was previously provided to yourself....upon reviewing docs I can clarify Opus have provided a recon true copy of your CCA which complies with CCA request....will not send acc back to Opus....a CCA request is not a method for the avoidance of the debt....contact us in next 14 days to discuss if not acc will be escalated within our collections procedures...." Nid advises send "CCA Query - Letter Previously Confirming No CCA" with a copy of letter from Opus received on 21/07/11. Letter sent.

12/10/11 - Letter rec'd from Cabot: "....you continue to claim agreement is unenforceable....information provided by OPUS is sufficient to meet CCA....enforcement constitutes obtaining Judgement at court....we are not seeking to initiate proceedings....you have been misinformed in relation to arguments you continue to raise....account is now payable - please contact us to arrange payment plan...." In2Deep says ignore.

24/10/11 - E-mail received from Cabot: "....according to our records debt still remains unpaid....contact us urgently....failure to do so your account will be escalated to next stage of our collections process...." NID/In2Deep say to ignore.

17/11/11 - another e-mail from Cabot: "this is last chance to agree a suitable payment plan before we move acc to our Pre Litigation Department....contact us now....". In2deep says send "Threat o gram before action letter" - letter sent.

25/11/11 - Letter from Cabot in response to my "threat o gram before action" letter: "Our Final Response To Your Complaint....you continue to claim agreement is unenforceable....information provided by OPUS is sufficient to meet CCA requirements....you have been misinformed in relation to arguments you continue to raise....recommend you seek legal advice....account is now payable...." NID says ignore

06/12/11 - E-mail from Cabot: "your acc has been escalated to our PRE-LITIGATION DEPT....we may issue a claim for County Court Judgement....may insruct external DCA or Legal Agency to call on you....most important you contact us to stop further action....". I2D says ignore.

13/12/11 - yet another e-mail from Cabot: "IMPORTANT - PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE....your acc continues to be in default....despite previous requests you have failed to settle....outstanding balance is payable immediately....if you do not take positive action to settle acc we will either forward acc to External DCA or commence legal action....further costs may apply....contact Cabot immediately...." NID says ignore but next e-mail I receive send "This email address is no longer active - please resort to an alternative method of contact" message back.

09/01/12 - another e-mail from Cabot : "....our offer to you....we can offer you a 40% discount to your outstanding debt....if paid in next 30 days....we will close acc and mark as settled with CRA....contact us now....". I will ignore and see what happens next.

15/02/12 - Yet another e-mail received from Cabot (last letter I had from them was 25/11/11), which I am unable to read, other than the subject line, which says ...."External Agent Notification". I have sent a reply e-mail back just saying the following: This email address is no longer active - please resort to an alternative method of contact.

22/02/12 - Letter rec'd from Financial Investigations and Recoveries (Europe) Ltd (F.I.R.E): "....NOTIFICATION OF INSTRUCTION TO COLLECT....our client Cabot have instructed us to recover full amount....PAYMENT REQUIRED IMMEDIATELY....contact us....". I2D says to ignore

27/02/12 - E-mail rec'd from F.I.R.E: "....make us a reasonable offer....as final attempt to resolve and stop further action....will consider reasonable offer as F&F or payment plan....contact us in next 14 days....". I will ignore, other than sending this e-mail back to them: "This email address is no longer active - please resort to an alternative method of contact." and will await their next reply.

17/03/12 - Letter rec'd from FIRE: "....PRE-VISIT NOTIFICATION....debt referred to us from Cabot....you must contact us in 48 hours to pay in full or arrange repayment....failure may result in....our client taking LEGAL PROCEEDINGS against you or a DOORSTEP AGENT calling....contact us now....". I2D says ignore

25/04/12 - Letter from FIRE: "...previously advised if debt not paid we would take further action...been instructed by our client to instruct debt recovery agent to collect debt...call us immediately or we will pass acc to Doorstep Agent...call us now...". I will IGNORE

09/06/12 - Letter from Cabot: "...as we have not come to a mutual agreement your acc is being passed to Clarity Credit Management for collection...Then in the same envelope letter from Clarity: "...insrtucted by Cabot to arrange payment...we can offer 25% discount...contact us now...". I2D says "Account sold whilst in dispute" - letter sent

Hi Niddy/I2D,

I have an update to above account:

UPDATE: 18/06/12:

Letter rec'd from Clarity: "...this acc has now been returned to our client...further communication to you will come directly from them..."

Didn't take much for Clarity to run off with their tail between their legs

I will file and see what happens next.

[MrsD]

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i love it when they throw in the towel like that.................

next please!