Mortgage PPI Reclaim

[TibetanMonk]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

Arh right, so to make sure this is right first time, the mortgage was arranged by Portman or taken over by them?

It was taken out with Portman. But not sure if the mortgage had finished prior to nationwide taking it over or not.

[di30]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

In regards of writing to them, we shall try checking out their website to see if they have their very own form first, as they may by their own procedure use complaint forms, but otherwise a letter, I would not use a template, as it looks all standard - generic to them, so always best to word it in your own words.

So basically, they need to know that your mum tried to make a claim when she was made redundant which failed because of the reasons of her not being named on the policy for the PPI where she was not aware of that, but the fact that she was on the Mortgage application, the mortage was still left to be her responsibilty. Prior to this your mum was still making payments for the mortage including the PPI herself when it was just left in her name for the mortgage until they confirmed that she was not coverered, she therefore cancelled the PPI as it was worthless to her.
So as the PPI was worthless to her, yet she still make payments, she is now requesting a refund of all the PPI payments she made plus all the relevant interest she is entitled to.
(If your mum can remember the date/year of when she tried making a claim, let them know).
Also remember to apply the mortgage account number.

Also add that you look forward to their response by 8 weeks (from the date of your letter) and failure for them to comply, you will be considering taking further action, ie: Financial Ombudsman Service (FOS).

[di30]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

If your up to it send to both, see what they come back with

[TibetanMonk]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

If your up to it send to both, see what they come back with

Right well I've checked, they use an online form for PPI Complaints of Building Societys they've merged with, so I've put the details in for the claim for redress.

She was paying for 6 and a half years, I've just learnt that you also get interest on it aswell?

[di30]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

Right well I've checked, they use an online form for PPI Complaints of Building Societys they've merged with, so I've put the details in for the claim for redress.

She was paying for 6 and a half years, I've just learnt that you also get interest on it aswell?

Excellent stuff! I just had to restart my puter, well done!
Yes interest as well

[TibetanMonk]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

Excellent stuff! I just had to restart my puter, well done!
Yes interest as well

Stupid question probably lol, but how much do you reckon, average of course.

[di30]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

I shal find the guidelines of the payouts now for you and post up with them shortly

[TibetanMonk]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

Brilliant thank you very much

[di30]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

...On the FOS site are guidelines for how PPI should be redressed, so basically the payout would vary depending on what you paid, so the customer should be put back in the position as if there was no PPI, so by receiving the amounts paid to date or cancellation, and interest it attracted each month, plus the standard 8% int of what a court would award.

Check below on how the FOS also expect businesses to redress......his is on credit cards, loans etc, mortgage ppi is classed the same as a loan ppi.

The ways in which the FOS approach redress in different situations are set out below.

CREDIT CARDS

1. Where card account and the PPI are still in force.

If the consumer agrees to cancellation of the PPI the financial business should:

a) reconstruct the account by removing any premiums in respect of the PPI and any interest or charges in respect of those premiums;
b) if that produces a credit balance for any period, credit interest on that balance for that period at 8% simple per year; and
c) send the customer a statement showing the resulting balance on the account (with details of how it was calculated).

2. Where the card account is still open but the PPI has been cancelled.

The financial business should:

a) reconstruct the account by removing any premiums in respect of the PPI and any interest or charges in respect of those premiums;
b) if that produces a credit balance for any period, credit interest on that balance for that period at 8% simple per year; and
c) send the customer a statement showing the resulting balance on the account (with details of how it was calculated.)

3. Where the card account has been cleared and closed and the PPI has been cancelled:

The financial business should:

a) reconstruct the account by removing any premiums in respect of the PPI and any interest or charges in respect of those premiums;
b) if that produces a credit balance for any period, credit interest on that balance for that period at 8% simple per year;
c) pay the customer the difference between the revised closing balance and the original closing balance;
d) pay the customer interest on that difference at 8% simple per year from the date of closure to the date of payment; and
e) send the customer details of how the revised balance, the difference and the interest were calculated.

FOS may also consider it appropriate for the financial business to pay the consumer additional compensation for any distress and inconvenience he or she has been caused, including where the financial business rejected a complaint which it knew (or should have known) would be upheld, If they consider such an award is appropriate this will be specified by the adjudicator.

LOANS

These are examples full publication can be found on Link following them


Loan and PPI policy still in place at time of FOS decision.
Lender agreed for the cancellation of the PPI policy and restructuring of loan. E.g.
Overall loan repayments £250 per month but would have been £200 without PPI, term of policy was 60 months and complaint settled after 20 monthly payments.
· Return excess monthly payments of £50 x 20 payments up to date of settlement (£1000)
· Add interest to each payment of £50 at 8%simple, from date of each payment until lender repaid.
· Arrange loan to be restructured, so remaining 40 monthly payments reduced to £200
· Pay borrower £300 for extra inconvenience caused.

Loan and PPI policy terminated early before FOS decision.
Overall loan was for £23,000 (monthly payments £430) – but it would have been £18,000 with monthly payments of £340 without PPI. Policy term was 60 months; loan and policy cancelled are 23 monthly payments.
Borrower was required to pay £15,500 to settle the loan (after the business had taken account of the rebate of premium he was due of £1,200; but if he had not had PPI added to loan, the smaller loan of £18,000 would have cost £13,000 to settle at the same point.
So borrower had paid lender £90 a month more than he would have done, had the financial business not mis-sold the PPI policy; and £2,500 more to settle the loan after 24 months.
· Return 24 monthly payments of £90 to date of settlement (£2,160)
· Calculate difference between settlement costs incurred when borrower ended loan early and those he would have incurred had he settled the loan without the additional PPI element. (£15,500 - £13,000 = £2,500) pay difference to borrower.
· Add interest to each payment of £90 at 8% simple, from date that excess was incurred.
· Pay borrower £400 for extra inconvenience.

Loan and PPI policy ran to term before FOS decision
Overall loan was £7,500 (monthly repayments of £250) – but it would have been £6,000 with monthly repayments of £200 without PPI. Term of Loan and policy 36 months. So borrower had paid £50 more per month than if PPI not been mis-sold.
· Return £50 x 36 months of the loan (£1,800)
· Add interest to each excess payment of £50 at 8% simple, from date that excess was incurred.
· Pay £200 for extra inconvenience.


SUCCESSIVE SINGLE-PREMIUM PAYMENT PROTECTION INSURANCE

The exact approach to calculating compensation will depend on the overall circumstances of the individual complaint. In particular the calculations of compensation will vary according to the present status of the most recent loan and PPI policy. The financial business will be expected to consider the four scenarios set out below to ensure that the calculations are appropriate.

1. the most recent loan and the most recent PPI policy are still in force;
2. the most recent loan is still in force but the most recent PPI has been cancelled or has expired;
3. all the loans have been settled early and all the PPI has been cancelled;
4. the most recent loan and the most recent PPI policy have run the full term.

plus also additional compensation for any distress/inconvenience including where the financial business reflected a complaint which if knew (or should have known) FOS would uphold.

Subject to the consumer agreeing to cancel any PPI policy that was mis-sold and is stillin force the financial business should:

(A). In respect of each loan:
- recalculate the loan and the payments to what they would have been if the consumer had taken the loan without PPI
- repay to the consumer the amounts by which the payments actually made exceeded the recalculated payments;
- pay the consumer interest on each of these amounts at 8% per year simple from the date each payment was made to the date the compensation is paid;
- recalculate the balance that would have been outstanding at the end of each loan had the recalculated loan not included PPI.

(B) Calculate how much of the balance that was carried forward to the subsequent loan related to the cost of the PPI policy taken out for the previous loan: and
- repay to the consumer all amounts paid under each subsequent loan in respect of the carried forward balance, including interest and charges;
- pay the consumer interest on each of these amounts at 8% per year simple from the date each payment was made to the date the compensation is paid.

(C) Where the most recent loan is still in force and it includes the cost of the most recent PPI policy and/or any balance carried forward from the cost of previous
PPI Policies, the financial business should restructure the loan or arrange for the loan to be restructured so that the balance is reduced to the level that it would
have been if it had not included any of the costs of the mis-sold PPI policies.

(D) Set out in writing for the consumer details of the calculations under (A) (B) and (C).

default charges

Mrs Q had got a little behind with her loan repayments. The lender had added default charges, and subsequently interest on those charges. We required the financial business to arrange for the restructuring of the loan – and to write off any charges (and any interest on them) which would not have arisen, if the monthly payment had been the lower amount that would have applied if there had been no PPI policy.



These are examples full publication can be found on this link
www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/technical_notes/ppi/redress.html

[TibetanMonk]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

...On the FOS site are guidelines for how PPI should be redressed, so basically the payout would vary depending on what you paid, so the customer should be put back in the position as if there was no PPI, so by receiving the amounts paid to date or cancellation, and interest it attracted each month, plus the standard 8% int of what a court would award.

Check below on how the FOS also expect businesses to redress......his is on credit cards, loans etc, mortgage ppi is classed the same as a loan ppi.

The ways in which the FOS approach redress in different situations are set out below.

CREDIT CARDS

1. Where card account and the PPI are still in force.

If the consumer agrees to cancellation of the PPI the financial business should:

a) reconstruct the account by removing any premiums in respect of the PPI and any interest or charges in respect of those premiums;
b) if that produces a credit balance for any period, credit interest on that balance for that period at 8% simple per year; and
c) send the customer a statement showing the resulting balance on the account (with details of how it was calculated).

2. Where the card account is still open but the PPI has been cancelled.

The financial business should:

a) reconstruct the account by removing any premiums in respect of the PPI and any interest or charges in respect of those premiums;
b) if that produces a credit balance for any period, credit interest on that balance for that period at 8% simple per year; and
c) send the customer a statement showing the resulting balance on the account (with details of how it was calculated.)

3. Where the card account has been cleared and closed and the PPI has been cancelled:

The financial business should:

a) reconstruct the account by removing any premiums in respect of the PPI and any interest or charges in respect of those premiums;
b) if that produces a credit balance for any period, credit interest on that balance for that period at 8% simple per year;
c) pay the customer the difference between the revised closing balance and the original closing balance;
d) pay the customer interest on that difference at 8% simple per year from the date of closure to the date of payment; and
e) send the customer details of how the revised balance, the difference and the interest were calculated.

FOS may also consider it appropriate for the financial business to pay the consumer additional compensation for any distress and inconvenience he or she has been caused, including where the financial business rejected a complaint which it knew (or should have known) would be upheld, If they consider such an award is appropriate this will be specified by the adjudicator.

LOANS

These are examples full publication can be found on Link following them


Loan and PPI policy still in place at time of FOS decision.
Lender agreed for the cancellation of the PPI policy and restructuring of loan. E.g.
Overall loan repayments £250 per month but would have been £200 without PPI, term of policy was 60 months and complaint settled after 20 monthly payments.
· Return excess monthly payments of £50 x 20 payments up to date of settlement (£1000)
· Add interest to each payment of £50 at 8%simple, from date of each payment until lender repaid.
· Arrange loan to be restructured, so remaining 40 monthly payments reduced to £200
· Pay borrower £300 for extra inconvenience caused.

Loan and PPI policy terminated early before FOS decision.
Overall loan was for £23,000 (monthly payments £430) – but it would have been £18,000 with monthly payments of £340 without PPI. Policy term was 60 months; loan and policy cancelled are 23 monthly payments.
Borrower was required to pay £15,500 to settle the loan (after the business had taken account of the rebate of premium he was due of £1,200; but if he had not had PPI added to loan, the smaller loan of £18,000 would have cost £13,000 to settle at the same point.
So borrower had paid lender £90 a month more than he would have done, had the financial business not mis-sold the PPI policy; and £2,500 more to settle the loan after 24 months.
· Return 24 monthly payments of £90 to date of settlement (£2,160)
· Calculate difference between settlement costs incurred when borrower ended loan early and those he would have incurred had he settled the loan without the additional PPI element. (£15,500 - £13,000 = £2,500) pay difference to borrower.
· Add interest to each payment of £90 at 8% simple, from date that excess was incurred.
· Pay borrower £400 for extra inconvenience.

Loan and PPI policy ran to term before FOS decision
Overall loan was £7,500 (monthly repayments of £250) – but it would have been £6,000 with monthly repayments of £200 without PPI. Term of Loan and policy 36 months. So borrower had paid £50 more per month than if PPI not been mis-sold.
· Return £50 x 36 months of the loan (£1,800)
· Add interest to each excess payment of £50 at 8% simple, from date that excess was incurred.
· Pay £200 for extra inconvenience.


SUCCESSIVE SINGLE-PREMIUM PAYMENT PROTECTION INSURANCE

The exact approach to calculating compensation will depend on the overall circumstances of the individual complaint. In particular the calculations of compensation will vary according to the present status of the most recent loan and PPI policy. The financial business will be expected to consider the four scenarios set out below to ensure that the calculations are appropriate.

1. the most recent loan and the most recent PPI policy are still in force;
2. the most recent loan is still in force but the most recent PPI has been cancelled or has expired;
3. all the loans have been settled early and all the PPI has been cancelled;
4. the most recent loan and the most recent PPI policy have run the full term.

plus also additional compensation for any distress/inconvenience including where the financial business reflected a complaint which if knew (or should have known) FOS would uphold.

Subject to the consumer agreeing to cancel any PPI policy that was mis-sold and is stillin force the financial business should:

(A). In respect of each loan:
- recalculate the loan and the payments to what they would have been if the consumer had taken the loan without PPI
- repay to the consumer the amounts by which the payments actually made exceeded the recalculated payments;
- pay the consumer interest on each of these amounts at 8% per year simple from the date each payment was made to the date the compensation is paid;
- recalculate the balance that would have been outstanding at the end of each loan had the recalculated loan not included PPI.

(B) Calculate how much of the balance that was carried forward to the subsequent loan related to the cost of the PPI policy taken out for the previous loan: and
- repay to the consumer all amounts paid under each subsequent loan in respect of the carried forward balance, including interest and charges;
- pay the consumer interest on each of these amounts at 8% per year simple from the date each payment was made to the date the compensation is paid.

(C) Where the most recent loan is still in force and it includes the cost of the most recent PPI policy and/or any balance carried forward from the cost of previous
PPI Policies, the financial business should restructure the loan or arrange for the loan to be restructured so that the balance is reduced to the level that it would
have been if it had not included any of the costs of the mis-sold PPI policies.

(D) Set out in writing for the consumer details of the calculations under (A) (B) and (C).

default charges

Mrs Q had got a little behind with her loan repayments. The lender had added default charges, and subsequently interest on those charges. We required the financial business to arrange for the restructuring of the loan – and to write off any charges (and any interest on them) which would not have arisen, if the monthly payment had been the lower amount that would have applied if there had been no PPI policy.



These are examples full publication can be found on this link
www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/technical_notes/ppi/redress.html

Hey Di

Thanks for the above, I didnt even get a notification for this one so didn't even know you posted it.

Still not heard back from Nationwide, although, probably will take sometime.

Always wanted to claim back PPI, atleast it's my mum being able to do it. Hopefully this payout will clear her debts. She's never defaulted, so although her CC would probably be UE, not the best avenue for her.

TM

[di30]

Re: Mortgage PPI Reclaim

Not a problem TM

And keep me updated etc, thank you. x