Poundland Graduate Cait Reilly Wins Appeal

[oscar]

Re: Poundland Graduate Cait Reilly Wins Appeal

If I was out of work and wanted to claim benefits and was told the only way I would get them would be to do a few hours in a charity shop, street cleaning or whatever then I'd take the offer. If I didn't like it, then it's up to me to find work that pays me a wage I'm happy with, isn't it?

A few hours a week fair enough, but expecting people to work a full job in return is a bit much - especially if there is absolutely no gaurantees of a position afterwards (as was demonstrated last year)

most didn't want to know because I have a professional qualification........... because he's alcoholic he gets £30 a week more than JSA

I have had the "why did you apply you're over qualified" as well. As for the second part - homeless people have a dog for the same reason - they get extra money to feed it.......

[pompeyfaith]

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The point is she was working voluntary in a museum at the time so earning her JSA they moved her from this to work in poundland propping up a corporations profits when they could have paid her NMW

These government schemes are costing the taxpayer £5 billion and for what to get 3% into work that is not money sense.

[pompeyfaith]

Re: Poundland Graduate Cait Reilly Wins Appeal

I remember the days not so long ago when their was 15+ pages of jobs in the local press of all manner of skill now that is just 3 pages down here in the wealthy south and nearly all of those are either cleaners, carers or agency non jobs.

[oscar]

Re: Poundland Graduate Cait Reilly Wins Appeal

I remember the days not so long ago when their was 15+ pages of jobs in the local press of all manner of skill now that is just 3 pages down here in the wealthy south and nearly all of those are either cleaners, carers or agency non jobs.

I have seen a massive rise in the amount of carer work too. I can go search now, put it date order, and literally skim over the jobs as only one or two out of every ten will be non carer related.

[diddlydee]

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I do agree with most comments. Like I said it is a difficult argument and my comments are not aimed at those that want to work but find themselves in a temporary position of needing help.

However, there are always going to be people that just don't want to work as life on benefits is easier for them. I am aware of families that exist that live their whole life on handouts and even brag that they have luxuries that most working families can't afford. It is those people that I feel need looking at and being put on some sort of scheme to force them to give a little back.

However, this should not be to the benefit of the large corporations that get free labour paid for by the taxpayer but more community type work.

[Pixie]

Re: Poundland Graduate Cait Reilly Wins Appeal

The point is she was working voluntary in a museum at the time so earning her JSA they moved her from this to work in poundland propping up a corporations profits when they could have paid her NMW

These government schemes are costing the taxpayer £5 billion and for what to get 3% into work that is not money sense.

I agree with you there PF.

It wasn't as if she needed a taste of the work ethic as she was already doing voluntary work and had worked as a student. Why should big companies benefit from the workfare scheme? It isn't creating jobs but taking jobs away from people who can only do NMW type jobs.

However, there are always going to be people that just don't want to work as life on benefits is easier for them. I am aware of families that exist that live their whole life on handouts and even brag that they have luxuries that most working families can't afford. It is those people that I feel need looking at and being put on some sort of scheme to force them to give a little back.

Of course it's these people that need looking at but will this latest government initiative (an oxymoron if ever there was one!) get them into work? Will it heck as like.

I can see a big problem for me when I have to sign back on JSA at Easter. There are loads of agencies advertising teaching jobs which don't exist just to get you on their books (when there isn't enough supply work anyway) Each agency says you need to have a new enhanced CRB check which, at £40+ a time, I certainly can't afford. As I've been working through one agency since September, the other agencies that I'm still registered with will want new CRB checks too.

I was told by my JC adviser just before I got my present job that if I didn't apply for the non-existent jobs with the new agencies then I would be classed as turning down work and have my benefit stopped. It didn't matter to her that the jobs didn't actually exist or that I wouldn't be able to afford the CRB fee.

[PriorityOne]

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My first full-time job after leaving school was in the dole office.... and they massaged figures even then. The official stats. of "unemployed" only included those in receipt of Unemployment Benefit (as it was then called) and nothing else. Today is no different; there are closer to around 8 million unemployed if you include those on Income Support and so on.... it's a huge wool pulling exercise.... as are the variety of "schemes" that have emerged over the past 30-odd years to keep people off the official stats. as much as possible.

Nowadays, kids are encouraged to go on useless courses to keep them in education yet these courses are often pointless and a waste of time. i know because I teach some of them.... Kids come out with certificates and schools/colleges get points on the league tables for results; so everyone is happy. Such a crock of sh*t....

My daughter is leaving uni. this year and I would be livid if she was offered work "experience" in Poundland, to be honest. The Government is very good at taking the p*ss out of people to cover it's own inadequacies and that's a prime example. People are not encouraged to think anymore; they're just expected to do as they're told and tow the party line, so to speak. This country's a joke....

[Numpty Monkey]

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I agree with Oscar, its a good result


Speaking as one of those forced to do 5 weeks of slave labour when I was unemployed,
despite applying for 250 – 300 various jobs (1 interview and 2 no thanks replies).

Why should a company get the benefit of me working for them for free,?
If the work is there and they needed someone, why shouldn't I have been paid the National Minimum Wage? Or the same as the people I was working with!


I do hope that the companies that have used the people that were forced into theses slave jobs
are themselves forced into repaying for the forced labour.


The simple questions remains
If the companies needed someone to work, why didn't they employ them?
Who got rich?( the agency's who ran them?)


Why do governments continually manipulate the unemployment figures?


I got told a few things from when I was unemployed (and not from DWP or JC+)
if you did 1 weeks “employment training” you weren't classed as unemployed for that month, or if the “training” started say 27/2/13 and finished 6/3/13, guess what,
you're off the unemployment list for 2 months,
unless you signed to go onto the training course in January, then its 3 months.


When I was sent to one of these employment trianing companies,
if I did manage to get a job
they would give me £50
My tutor( thats a joke in itself) would get £500
The employment training company would get £15.000


Why didn't the government just give me the £15,000 to start my own buisnesss?
I may be in a postion by now to be able to take on someone, and not pay them anything
but still get the job done!


I do agree the Benefit system needs a really good overhaul,


but maybe start doing it from top downwards?

[pompeyfaith]

Re: Poundland Graduate Cait Reilly Wins Appeal

I do agree with most comments. Like I said it is a difficult argument and my comments are not aimed at those that want to work but find themselves in a temporary position of needing help.

However, there are always going to be people that just don't want to work as life on benefits is easier for them. I am aware of families that exist that live their whole life on handouts and even brag that they have luxuries that most working families can't afford. It is those people that I feel need looking at and being put on some sort of scheme to force them to give a little back.

However, this should not be to the benefit of the large corporations that get free labour paid for by the taxpayer but more community type work.

That is true but how do you tackle it without penalising the wrong ones because that is what is happening now it is tricky and those that have never worked and should work are artists at evading the authorities even how I still see the ones that should be working not doing so.

[pompeyfaith]

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I agree with you there PF.

It wasn't as if she needed a taste of the work ethic as she was already doing voluntary work and had worked as a student. Why should big companies benefit from the workfare scheme? It isn't creating jobs but taking jobs away from people who can only do NMW type jobs.



Of course it's these people that need looking at but will this latest government initiative (an oxymoron if ever there was one!) get them into work? Will it heck as like.

I can see a big problem for me when I have to sign back on JSA at Easter. There are loads of agencies advertising teaching jobs which don't exist just to get you on their books (when there isn't enough supply work anyway) Each agency says you need to have a new enhanced CRB check which, at £40+ a time, I certainly can't afford. As I've been working through one agency since September, the other agencies that I'm still registered with will want new CRB checks too.

I was told by my JC adviser just before I got my present job that if I didn't apply for the non-existent jobs with the new agencies then I would be classed as turning down work and have my benefit stopped. It didn't matter to her that the jobs didn't actually exist or that I wouldn't be able to afford the CRB fee.

Pixie the crb checks have changed now and it is a DBS Check that is transferable http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/agencie...1/portability/

[pompeyfaith]

Re: Poundland Graduate Cait Reilly Wins Appeal

I agree with Oscar, its a good result


Speaking as one of those forced to do 5 weeks of slave labour when I was unemployed,
despite applying for 250 – 300 various jobs (1 interview and 2 no thanks replies).

Why should a company get the benefit of me working for them for free,?
If the work is there and they needed someone, why shouldn't I have been paid the National Minimum Wage? Or the same as the people I was working with!


I do hope that the companies that have used the people that were forced into theses slave jobs
are themselves forced into repaying for the forced labour.


The simple questions remains
If the companies needed someone to work, why didn't they employ them?
Who got rich?( the agency's who ran them?)


Why do governments continually manipulate the unemployment figures?


I got told a few things from when I was unemployed (and not from DWP or JC+)
if you did 1 weeks “employment training” you weren't classed as unemployed for that month, or if the “training” started say 27/2/13 and finished 6/3/13, guess what,
you're off the unemployment list for 2 months,
unless you signed to go onto the training course in January, then its 3 months.


When I was sent to one of these employment trianing companies,
if I did manage to get a job
they would give me £50
My tutor( thats a joke in itself) would get £500
The employment training company would get £15.000


Why didn't the government just give me the £15,000 to start my own buisnesss?
I may be in a postion by now to be able to take on someone, and not pay them anything
but still get the job done!


I do agree the Benefit system needs a really good overhaul,


but maybe start doing it from top downwards?

Personally I am not a great lover of the NMW because it does nothing to encourage people into work makes it hard to gain a pay rise because the employers know they are safe if they stick to the government law on NMW and does nothing for staff morale.

I am a believer in the living wage because not only is it a fair days wage for a fair days work it also will cut the dependency on in work welfare tow in the massive profits these corporations make create a happier work force which in turn increases productivity which increases job numbers and thus less unemployed.

[oscar]

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Personally I am not a great lover of the NMW because it does nothing to encourage people into work makes it hard to gain a pay rise because the employers know they are safe if they stick to the government law on NMW and does nothing for staff morale.

I am a believer in the living wage because not only is it a fair days wage for a fair days work it also will cut the dependency on in work welfare tow in the massive profits these corporations make create a happier work force which in turn increases productivity which increases job numbers and thus less unemployed.

Fully agree with you there agin PF. I really dont see the point in having a rock bottom minimum wage and then having to top it up with all sorts of "tax credits". Far better in increase the NMW to a point where are actually able to live. (and in some relative comfort rather than hand to mouth)

[Pixie]

Re: Poundland Graduate Cait Reilly Wins Appeal

Pixie the crb checks have changed now and it is a DBS Check that is transferable http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/agencie...1/portability/

Portability has been around for a while but I only had one agency out of the five I was registered with that would agree to accept a previous enhanced CRB certificate (even though I don't have any sort of a criminal record). The Home Office website says

Ultimately it is for the employer to determine whether to accept previously-issued CRB/DBS checks.

Personally I am not a great lover of the NMW because it does nothing to encourage people into work makes it hard to gain a pay rise because the employers know they are safe if they stick to the government law on NMW and does nothing for staff morale.

I am a believer in the living wage because not only is it a fair days wage for a fair days work it also will cut the dependency on in work welfare tow in the massive profits these corporations make create a happier work force which in turn increases productivity which increases job numbers and thus less unemployed.

Fully agree with you there agin PF. I really dont see the point in having a rock bottom minimum wage and then having to top it up with all sorts of "tax credits". Far better in increase the NMW to a point where are actually able to live. (and in some relative comfort rather than hand to mouth)

Agree with both of you. People should be paid a proper living wage.

I don't like tax credits as they leave the claimants vulnerable to being overpaid (even if they inform the tax credits office) and they end up the following year having even less to live on.

[Numpty Monkey]

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Fully agree with you there agin PF. I really dont see the point in having a rock bottom minimum wage and then having to top it up with all sorts of "tax credits". Far better in increase the NMW to a point where are actually able to live. (and in some relative comfort rather than hand to mouth)

Personally I am not a great lover of the NMW because it does nothing to encourage people into work makes it hard to gain a pay rise because the employers know they are safe if they stick to the government law on NMW and does nothing for staff morale.

I am a believer in the living wage because not only is it a fair days wage for a fair days work it also will cut the dependency on in work welfare tow in the massive profits these corporations make create a happier work force which in turn increases productivity which increases job numbers and thus less unemployed.

Portability has been around for a while but I only had one agency out of the five I was registered with that would agree to accept a previous enhanced CRB certificate (even though I don't have any sort of a criminal record). The Home Office website says





Agree with both of you. People should be paid a proper living wage.

I don't like tax credits as they leave the claimants vulnerable to being overpaid (even if they inform the tax credits office) and they end up the following year having even less to live on.

I'm with you all the way about the NMW, It's better than no minimum at at all ,
I would prefer a a national living wage,
there we go, we've just got rid of yet another layer of red tape, a saving on the benefit burdon, a reduction of the national debt,
an increase in income tax, VAT income, and spending, the sort of thing that gets the economy moving

argh shit .....the ultra rich might not like it,,,,so that won't happen