Duncan Smith condemns tax credits as 'not fit for purpose'

[CleverClogs (RIP)]

Re: Duncan Smith condemns tax credits as 'not fit for purpose'

Sadly, having kids is still seen as a "career" move by a lot of young people these days although as Enforcer says, the Benefit caps for people who keep on popping out children will hopefully change things as time goes on.

So exactly how will that work?

Will parents of more than two children be required to send their "surplus" brood for medical experimentation or vivisection?

[PriorityOne]

Re: Duncan Smith condemns tax credits as 'not fit for purpose'

So exactly how will that work?

Read up on the plans for Universal Credit CC....

[CleverClogs (RIP)]

Re: Duncan Smith condemns tax credits as 'not fit for purpose'

Read up on the plans for Universal Credit CC....

I'd rather not.

I'm more than somewhat depressed by Christmas and then by my birthday, so I hardly need to read more depressing nonsense.

[pompeyfaith]

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PO1 whilst I agree with you the issue is how to deal with it, because you are right it is still happening but the ones they are targeting are the wrong ones.

Time and time again I hear of citizens who are clearly not fit to work being sanctioned whilst therir are many who could work still walking the streets without a care in the world.

You are right in that there needs to be a living wage and an upping of the minimum wage so that welfare does not need to be claimed.

The current welfare system is fooked and there promise of making to easier to understand is pie in the sky and thus become more confusing to many.

[PriorityOne]

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PO1 whilst I agree with you the issue is how to deal with it, because you are right it is still happening but the ones they are targeting are the wrong ones.

Time and time again I hear of citizens who are clearly not fit to work being sanctioned whilst therir are many who could work still walking the streets without a care in the world.

You are right in that there needs to be a living wage and an upping of the minimum wage so that welfare does not need to be claimed.

The current welfare system is fooked and there promise of making to easier to understand is pie in the sky and thus become more confusing to many.

Totally agree with you Pompey.... they always target the wrong ones while others manage to work things in their favour. The decision to try and curb feckless people from churning out children by whoever though..... and (effectively) getting paid by the results.... does seem long overdue though.

[CleverClogs (RIP)]

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It will soon be perfectly easy to understand - if one becomes unemployed, or old, or ill, then heaven help you to have an acceptable standard of living because the state won't!

How long will it be before "useless eaters" are kicked off benefits?

[CleverClogs (RIP)]

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Totally agree with you Pompey.... they always target the wrong ones while others manage to work things in their favour. The decision to try and curb feckless people from churning out children by whoever though..... and (effectively) getting paid by the results.... does seem long overdue though.

Short of enforced sterilisation or mandatory injections of depo-provera - either of which would blatantly breach their human rights - it is difficult to understand what any government might do to prevent this perceived problem.

[PriorityOne]

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if one becomes unemployed, or old, or ill, then heaven help you to have an acceptable standard of living because the state won't!

Many people who work don't have an acceptable standard of living already..... that's one of the problems; the death of the living wage.

it is difficult to understand what any government might do to prevent this perceived problem.

Other countries seem to have better stats. on this than we do CC.

[Enforcer]

Re: Duncan Smith condemns tax credits as 'not fit for purpose'

Problem is we have a Tory government, mass unemployment suits them, get the workers grovelling for a job. Minimum wage helps the fat cats, state makes it up to a living standard. We are subsidising the employers! Now cut benefits, make the unemployed work for Tesco etc for nothing. Employment training, Who benefits? The rich (Tories) repossess their homes, buy them for buy to let, who can afford it, Tories! Bring in the "bedroom tax" starts in April, evict social tenants on benefits, as they have surplus rooms!
This lot stink! First thing they did was pass a law that they could not be voted out! All the rich kids of BANKERS.

[PriorityOne]

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Problem is we have a Tory government, mass unemployment suits them, get the workers grovelling for a job. Minimum wage helps the fat cats, state makes it up to a living standard. We are subsidising the employers! Now cut benefits, make the unemployed work for Tesco etc for nothing. Employment training, Who benefits? The rich (Tories) repossess their homes, buy them for buy to let, who can afford it, Tories! Bring in the "bedroom tax" starts in April, evict social tenants on benefits, as they have surplus rooms!
This lot stink! First thing they did was pass a law that they could not be voted out! All the rich kids of BANKERS.

Grovelling is what it is too.... Long queues for zero hour contract work, X-Factor style interviews and various Government schemes just to keep the stats. low. I've never seen so many useless courses offered to young people these days as well..... you can get an Award in almost anything and a Level 1 Certificate in two days. As if any of it will really improve anyone's chances.....

Yes, our Government do a cracking job getting people to believe that they're simply not educated or experienced enough and it's all their own fault. Sometimes it is but for a lot of people, they're up against extremely difficult odds.

As for those who continually churn out children and stay on Benefit, I'm also fully aware as to their reasons for doing it. Unfortunately, this is the kind of mess that prevails when a country is run by a bunch of over-privileged toffs without a clue about life in the real world..... People will often do what suits them to survive and make a life.

[Handyman]

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Well said P1. IDS and his Centre for Social Justice, well he's one of the reasons I haven't been around much. So much injustice. IDS is only the gopher. Although he's at the helm of the current policies, who really thinks he's bright enough to think of these thing himself.

Time to go now, I promised I would do my best to keep my views away from AAD unless it directly affects us all.

[still looking]

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we will still be having this debate 10 years down the line, the only problem now is we have half of the EU coming here to jump on the gravy train !!!!!!

When I had my own house it was opposite a Council estate, these so called single mums are far from it, boyfriends living with them etc etc and these boyfriends having jobs they were pulling in god knows how much a week. No problem them getting cars, drink and fag's at the prices those commodities now cost. The only time it will stop is when we run out of money and that looks like it could be sooner than later.

It is the blame of Governments over the past 30 years, I remember me poor late dad having two weeks off in the sixties, National Assistance it was called then, he still had to pay the rent man, No housing benefit then and he was quizzed like the Spanish Inquisition. Remember these feral Rats and make No bones about it that is what most of them are, it is now a Generational thing, this is 3rd Generation feral rats claiming and they know every penny they can get. I see it in my work, Mum never worked for a bad back she has had since popping out 34 years ago, then 18 year old son turns up complaining of ( you got it bad back ) it's a joke.

My Sister is and has been for years in receipt of sick pay due to ( Alcoholism ) Yes it's an illness and as for the 20 and 21st Century British get out of work card free the good old ( Depression ) that old badger will guarantee you don't have to get up for work.

My rant is over, this country is finished ( simples )

[vossy]

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Herr Iain Duncan Smith is himself "unfit for purpose".

Rearranging the letters of 'Right Honourable Iain Duncan Smith MP' gives:

"An inhumane or humbling dictatorship."
"Subhuman, atrophied, criminal nothing."
"Bloodier, thumping, inhuman anarchist."
"Hubristic romp and inhumane loathing."
"Hairbrained, thumping, loutish con man."
"Impatient, unharmonic, ghoulish brand."
"Thumping, churlish, mad, inane abortion."
"I'm repugnant, childish, human abortion."
"I'm this highbred, unnatural companion."
"I'm the spouting, horrid, human cannibal."
"Prim cannibal in roughish muttonhead."
"A subhuman, hindering, criminal hotpot."
"I'm an inhumane, pulsating, horrid botch."
"Champion tribalist or unhinged human."
"I'm the inhuman and blurring sociopath."
"Impudent cannibal or roughish hit man."
"I am an unethical, thumping, horrid snob."
"Is a mind-numbing, holier-than-thou crap."

Oh you mean he is a cu*t!

Why not just say it, saved all that typing

[The Tech Clerk]

Re: Duncan Smith condemns tax credits as 'not fit for purpose'

I get it = Curt!

[CleverClogs (RIP)]

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My Sister is and has been for years in receipt of sick pay due to ( Alcoholism ) Yes it's an illness and as for the 20 and 21st Century British get out of work card free the good old ( Depression ) that old badger will guarantee you don't have to get up for work.

Clinical depression is more than merely feeling a bit sad from time to time or even suffering occasional bouts of mild anhedonia.

Nor is it a condition whereby one can simply "snap out of it".