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  • #91
    Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

    Originally posted by SaltnVinegar View Post
    This is a fantastic suggestion!
    No actually it's the worst thing you could ever possibly do!

    You're then giving the bank direct access to your personal and most up-to-date information plus a genuine copy of your signature for them to then use against you.

    The rule is within the template, no need to get into dialogue - you request CCA - they decline, you then send chaser and remind them there is no provision to request a signature UNLESS it is for DPA purposes in which case you reverse it and say "well you've been writing to me and sending statements so in essence now you're asking me to prove myself, you're admitting you have not checked your records prior to sending sensitive data thus admitting breach of DPA1998".

    Point is, they (the banks) think a s.78 comes under DPA (it does not) thus no signature is necessary and they cannot enforce so long as they are in default of this s.78 request.

    Read the templates for the full and current guidance regards this.

    I'd like to draw your attention to the fact that the Consumer Credit Act 1974 does not require that I supply you a copy of my signature. If it is for Data Protection purposes then I can supply you with documentation to substantiate my identity to you. However, I note that to date you have happily sent statements and correspondence containing extensive sensitive private information to my address and so I have to ask, if you are so concerned that you are corresponding with the correct person why has it taken you so long to raise this?

    As you are aware, disclosing data without adequate checks of identity is contrary to the 7th principal of Data Protection, listed in schedule 1 of the Data protection Act 1998:
    7. Appropriate technical and organisational measures shall be taken against unauthorised or unlawful processing of personal data and against accidental loss or destruction of, or damage to, personal data.

    I note that there is no provision that removes the requirements of the act to provide this information on time, even if you are unsure of my identity. As such, I look forward to receiving the documentation requested, within the next 14 days.
    As you'll see from the above this mentions providing ID but then suggests you won't because why should you? The bank know it is you so they need to stop messing around!

    Templates of relevance here ---> allaboutDEBT | Unenforceability Templates | Section 3 - Additional Requests to Comply
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    • #92
      Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

      I never hand over my id, merely show them it, unless theyre Banksy or a master forger they aint gonna do diddly squat with me showing them my id

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      • #93
        Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

        Originally posted by Paul. View Post
        I never hand over my id, merely show them it, unless theyre Banksy or a master forger they aint gonna do diddly squat with me showing them my id
        Ok, fair cop - thanks for clarifying matey. I guess you heard of that dozy bint that handed HSBC her passport, they went and copied it (blown up to A3) and then a week later sent a new CCA with her siggy on it then started action

        That was on CAG after she was told to go in with ID. But yea, you never hand it over - you merely show it them and if they try and take it from you, simply say "NO! You look with your eyes..."

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        • #94
          Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

          Originally posted by CharlieH View Post
          15.06 Letter received from Information Commissioner's Office, confirming receipt of my complaint over Capital One's Data Protection policy interpretation over my CCA requests.
          20.06 CapQuest calling, and I'm ignoring!
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          I would suggest you sit tight and await ICO clarity on this for now.
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          • #95
            Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

            There's always the option of sending them your 'current signature' that is 'new' and I wonder what they'd do with that...

            Wouldn't match, they have nothing to match it to, and would substantiate our fears over their activities.

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            • #96
              Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

              they have more chance of me showin them my hampton on the counter than they have of me giving them my documents.

              AS you point out looking does not involve touching

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              • #97
                Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

                Originally posted by CharlieH View Post
                There's always the option of sending them your 'current signature' that is 'new' and I wonder what they'd do with that...

                Wouldn't match, they have nothing to match it to, and would substantiate our fears over their activities.
                But a recon can mean they can create a recon using means at their disposal so they can add your current signature to an agreement which could then validate it in line with carey.

                The signature does not need to be a 100% true representation of the original - it can be taken using any source the bank has on file in order to make good, an otherwise bad agreement (shamelessly) lets not forget this huge factor guys
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                • #98
                  Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

                  You could always get your hampton tattooed with your sig!

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                  • #99
                    Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

                    Originally posted by Paul. View Post
                    they have more chance of me showin them my hampton on the counter
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                    • Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

                      Originally posted by CharlieH View Post
                      You could always get your hampton tattooed with your sig!


                      The pain
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                      • Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

                        There is also the fun to be had if you have changed name due to marriage etc and the alleged agreement would have been taken out in a different name (maiden name etc) and let them explain how your signature got onto the agreement.........

                        Or the fun to be had when a DCA lifts the signature of a debt advisor and reconstructs it on an agreement..........(yes this has been done!)

                        I'm all for any method that lets DCA stupidity hang themselves!

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                        The consumer is that sleeping giant.!!



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                        • Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

                          Originally posted by Never-In-Doubt View Post
                          No actually it's the worst thing you could ever possibly do!

                          You're then giving the bank direct access to your personal and most up-to-date information plus a genuine copy of your signature for them to then use against you.
                          Only if you let them photocopy it

                          You can also open a bank account with original correspondence from the tax man and a a utility bill, so if this is sufficient to open a bank account then should be sufficient to prove identity and no signature either
                          "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

                          The consumer is that sleeping giant.!!



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                          • Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

                            Originally posted by Never-In-Doubt View Post
                            Ok, fair cop - thanks for clarifying matey. I guess you heard of that dozy bint that handed HSBC her passport, they went and copied it (blown up to A3) and then a week later sent a new CCA with her siggy on it then started action

                            That was on CAG after she was told to go in with ID. But yea, you never hand it over - you merely show it them and if they try and take it from you, simply say "NO! You look with your eyes..."

                            Note to myself - read through all posts before adding further replies
                            "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."

                            The consumer is that sleeping giant.!!



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                            • Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

                              Link keep calling, further to their letter dated 12.06

                              Their letter had the same CCA as the one supplied by MBNA, though the statement of account conduct states the account has been terminated?

                              Does this go against our post 56-60?

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                              • Re: What's the worst thing that can happen! UE diary

                                Originally posted by CharlieH View Post
                                Link keep calling, further to their letter dated 12.06

                                Their letter had the same CCA as the one supplied by MBNA, though the statement of account conduct states the account has been terminated?

                                Does this go against our post 56-60?
                                If it was me I Would send Link the same letter you sent MBNA-----> CCA Query - Missing Prescribed Terms
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