Where is Cameron

[MrsD]

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so when they all come back to parliament on Thursday, they need to repeal it, and then they need to deal properly with these lunatics.

they are talking about using plastic/rubber bullets, I think they could do a lot of damage to young kids, massive potential for all sorts of claims, get rid of the the acts first, then it needs to be sorted out fast. then they could look at bringing back a properly discussed replacement.

[Handyman]

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Perhaps we should look at the "double bluff" so beloved of our intelligence services. Has it not occurred to you that Cameron, treacherous turncoat and their sycophantic coat hangers on have no answers whatsoever to the financial crisis engulfing all of us. They have no answers to curtailing the greed of the banks and the financial parasites. Hence does it not go in their favour to use the method of "agent provocateur" to foment enough civil unrest so that they can declare a state of emergency.

The rhetoric spouting from Theresa May and our incompetent corrupt police force and like bodies is almost exactly the same as that spouted by the Assad regime in Syria and the Royal loyalists in Bahrain. Guess who and what they are blaming now. Yes the internet!

And in a state of emergency how long do you think sites like this will be allowed to continue with our filthy propaganda against a corrupt greedy avaricious banking system that keeps Cameron and Brooks in Chipping Norton all riding together. Rememeber "communal buttocks" ?

regards from a Republican
Garlok

Well said Garlock, I fully agree with your comments. In one of my posts last night I said that maybe the Police were taking a step back for their own political reasons? It is a shame that if you are in a command position in the Armed Forces or Emergency Services these days you also have to be a politico.


But when I read your post something struck home, The Minors Strike and the Orgreave riot. On the Morning that it kicked off extra Police were drafted in to Sheffield. These arrived in blacked out coaches. A chap I know who later became an Officer in the RAF was at the main Police Station on business that day. The Chaps in the Coaches were not Police Officers but Army.

I have also met serving personnel who hinted they might have been there?

If you remember the news a lots of heads got broke that day.

I could never understand why when Blair was elected that Labor never called for an enquirey into these allegations.

Maybe as you suggest it was a collective Armour Plating of the collective Buttocks.

Regards Handy

[cymruambyth]

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It's not the attitude of the police but society. Every area of authority is being made impotent by fears for their human rights.

[garlok]

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Thanks mate and I can remember it as the Admiralty Surface Weapons Establishment as well. Times change and I do wonder if it is for the better.

regards
Garlok

[pompeyfaith]

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Garlok,

DERA is no more the facility on Portsdown Hill known as Portsdown Main has been shut and has consolidated with Portsdown West facility which is now run by QinetiQ

It is now in the main a private company by the name of QinetiQ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence...esearch_Agency

http://www.portsmouth.gov.uk/media/Portsdown_Main.pdf

[garlok]

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However Casp,

The Defence Research Agency, now DERA has for a long time been developing and supplying GCHQ Cheltenham with hardware and software to monitor ALL communications in the UK. Pompey will know this but there was furore in Portsmouth some years ago when it came to light that the DRA establishment on Portsdown Hill was able to read and interpret the keystrokes in IBM's HQ down in North Harbour.

So for the idiots in power to say they did not know etc is pure poppycock. Also there is the scandal of the White Cloud satellite surveillance network that can read a newspaper in the street that you are holding. The UK as allies have some access to that information. So this continual denial is futile in my own opinion.

regards
Garlok (spelt it right this time)

[charitynjw]

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YouTube footage

[pompeyfaith]

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Jen br,

On tv last night one looter was asked by a sky reporter what is all this about and the reply was..... im getting my tax back.

Whilst the killing of a person in tottenham may have started it for many that is not the only reason.

[caspar]

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I agree with much of the above, and I certainly agree that this is not just about one person being shot. I would even go as far as saying that if one were to catch 100 of these rioters and ask them why they were doing it or who Mark Duggan was the majority would not have a clue.

Garlok, you mentioned the internet. To some extent I agree that not just the internet, but the ease with which these people can communicate nationally and internationally with like minded people is to some extent an issue.

On a positive note, it is at times like this where I believe we see the best of being British coming out as well as the obvious bad side. We see the politicians who, like them or not, are mostly highly intelligent individuals banding together rather than squabbling over petty issues. We see the public, the vast majority of whom are decent, law abiding citizens speaking out against the actions of the minority. Every cloud, as they say, has a silver lining.

I have to say though, although gruesome, it does make one question whether we ought to have the ability, in extreme cases, to use the law to penalise as they might in say Singapore where crime is virtually unheard of.

[garlok]

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Even Lord Green who is a big donor to Cameron and chairman (i think) of "Carpetright" has come out and said exactly what you have said PF.

One of the furthre underlying issues is that the so called jobs they are creating are not real meaningful jobs, burger flipping part time in MaccyD's when most of the people stuck in a job like that are capable of and deserve much better.

An example of the incompetent running of this country by Gus McDonnell and his public school cronies (shirt lifters) is that there are approximately 3000 fully qualified doctors here in the UK who are unemployed and who have little or no prosepect of employment in their chosen profession. How amny more of us are going to tbe allowed to die?

No I am not in favour of riots or violence at all, but I am in favour of the rule of law as long as it is a law which ALL obey, I am also in favour of moral justice of the kind that Lord Justice Argyll believed in which was significantly different to the law dispensed by the current crop of professional prats who believe in one law for them and their grubby mates and another for the rest of us.

regards
Garlok (so bloody mad I can't even spell my own handle right first time)

[jen_br]

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This riot is not about taxs, its not about the govt... its about some black kid who was a KNOWN drug dealer being shot.

Yup. Its like Rodney King but over a scumbag.......

So all this for what? Someone selling drugs to our kids? Are you F*in kidding me?

Roll on the troops, tear gas, and bullets its about time the UK stops handling everything with queens gloves on. Infact im sure even she has moreballs.

[LooLoo]

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Why?

What do you suppose the troops are going to do against rioters, some of whom are supposedly only seven? Shoot them?

This isn't Syria.

They have tanks! could run the lot over!

[pompeyfaith]

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Garlok,

It does make you wonder, on the employment issue they keep spouting untrue unemployment figures and manipulating those figures to make it look not as bad as it is.

Everywhere I turn all I hear is people being made redundant it is happening on a massive scale and not just the public sector but the private sector too.

In the Portsmouth news there was always at least 20 pages of jobs on a Thursday and Saturday now you will be lucky to see two pages that is the result of just one local area and surely it is the same elsewhere.

These riots were not about just the one issue of someone being shot it relates to many issues and the general feeling of todays society.

The British culture that we have all got used to and enjoyed is slowly but surely being broke.

[garlok]

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Hi Guys and Girls.

Well done PF for this thread. However should we all not just stand back a bit and look carefully. The writing and warnings have been on the wall for a very long time. The last time something like this happened was over Thatcher's poll tax. However Enoch Powell was pointing to the real problems which was not immigration but lack of meaningful work and proper salaries. It has been known by the academic world that if you suppress wages for ordinary folk and keep taxation at between 38 and 42% of national earnings then the country runs the risk of serious civil unrest. I am close to retirement age and I cannot remember a time in my whole life when ordinary folk and their wages were NOT blamed for the country's ills.

Perhaps we should look at the "double bluff" so beloved of our intelligence services. Has it not occurred to you that Cameron, treacherous turncoat and their sycophantic coat hangers on have no answers whatsoever to the financial crisis engulfing all of us. They have no answers to curtailing the greed of the banks and the financial parasites. Hence does it not go in their favour to use the method of "agent provocateur" to foment enough civil unrest so that they can declare a state of emergency.

The rhetoric spouting from Theresa May and our incompetent corrupt police force and like bodies is almost exactly the same as that spouted by the Assad regime in Syria and the Royal loyalists in Bahrain. Guess who and what they are blaming now. Yes the internet!

And in a state of emergency how long do you think sites like this will be allowed to continue with our filthy propaganda against a corrupt greedy avaricious banking system that keeps Cameron and Brooks in Chipping Norton all riding together. Rememeber "communal buttocks" ?

regards from a Republican
Garlok

[charitynjw]

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