Failed ATOS Farce - Help!!

[jen_br]

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Like this:

Disgusting give the chap a ground floor flat or install a stairlift you have a duty of care.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-23593499/

Ugh this article has been taken out of context as it says "they are missing info" Surely when they receive all info they will put him on a priority.

[Angelic]

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But don't they also have a duty of care to Tracy, a teenage single mother of twins, who can hardly be expected to lug her baby buggy up and down the stairs?

That's probably for a different thread CC, we can debate elsewhere but for now, I think it'd be best to try to keep this thread on topic

[CleverClogs (RIP)]

Re: Failed ATOS Farce - Help!!

Like this:

Disgusting give the chap a ground floor flat or install a stairlift you have a duty of care.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-23593499/

But don't they also have a duty of care to Tracy, a teenage single mother of twins, who can hardly be expected to lug her baby buggy up and down the stairs?

[CleverClogs (RIP)]

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Its amazing how quickly some of the medical arseholes back down sharpish at the mention of the GMC these days particularly after the Shipman debacle. The standards required of all medical practitioners are laid down in the procedures of both august bodies and they start with:-

"All doctors should behave in a manner such that a patient is confident to place their lives in that doctor's hands" or words to that effect.

Anything other and the practitioner is guilty of professional misconduct and may well be struck off on complaint being made.

Or not, as the case may be. (link)

So it is that one medical practitioner in Wales is still allowed to prescribe her celebrated turd transplants - link. It is not known if the doctor would supply her own ordure for such an ordeal or, if she did, how much she'd charge per spoonful.

[pompeyfaith]

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Like this:

Disgusting give the chap a ground floor flat or install a stairlift you have a duty of care.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-23593499/

[CleverClogs (RIP)]

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The 'system' is seriously flawed

The system now in place was deliberately flawed, as ATOS are expected to find the results predicted by the barren Baron, 'Lord' David Fraud Freud. You may recall that he was the former merchant banker who declared that some/many/most of the people claiming IB were really fit for work.

When one reads reports of obviously disabled people being refused benefits because of the 'examination' and decisions made by those pseudo-medical numpties, one cannot avoid wondering if the system was set up as a sort of privatised version of Aktion T4 - link - whereby the deed might be done by the individuals themselves.

[garlok]

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"Their 'doctor' probably is not even a registered medical practitioner as such - a lot of the ATOS examination wallahs are nurse practitioners, midwives or had 'qualified' overseas; if they had qualified in the UK, they'll have retired years ago. Such pseudo-medical numpties and superannuated quacks are less expensive than qualified doctors who are currently fit to practice."

As a result, they are not bound by the principles of Hippocrates, the first of which is, "First, do no harm." (Cleverclogs post 32)

Hence you have no legal requirement to discuss medical conditions with them. If I am expected to discuss any medical matter with an unknown nurse(practitioner or otherwise) or doctor of any rank I now demand to see their licence to practice medicine in the UK issued by the General Medical or their registration with the Royal College of Nursing. Failure to produce ussually results with me making a complaint direct to the GMC or the RCN demanding discipliniaru action being taken against the psuedo medic and that they take criminal action against anyone acting in such a role which includes most of the ATOS staff.

Its amazing how quickly some of the medical arseholes back down sharpish at the mention of the GMC these days particularly after the Shipman debacle. The standards required of all medical practitioners are laid down in the procedures of both august bodies and they start with:-

"All doctors should behave in a manner such that a patient is confident to place their lives in theat doctor's hands" or words to that effect.

Anything other and the practitioner is guilty of professional misconduct and may well be struck offf on complaint being made.

regards
Garlok

[confused76]

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I'm sorry to hear you're having such trouble with ATOS etc. The 'system' is seriously flawed, a complete farce to declare you fit for work! At least you will still receive money whilst going through the appeal process. Make sure you get some help with the appeal, someone like Welfare Rights.

Get well soon matey xxx

[CleverClogs (RIP)]

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My argument is, the consultants and the physio have all said I cannot return to work, otherwise it will aggravate the shoulder injury more, thus making the last lot of surgery redundant and put me back to an even worse position than I am on now.

Cortisone injections in my spine haven't helped at all, so the next stage is literally disc removal + fusion of the vertabrae.

Yet their 'doctor' maintains that I am fit for work.!

Their 'doctor' probably is not even a registered medical practitioner as such - a lot of the ATOS examination wallahs are nurse practitioners, midwives or had 'qualified' overseas; if they had qualified in the UK, they'll have retired years ago. Such pseudo-medical numpties and superannuated quacks are less expensive than qualified doctors who are currently fit to practice.

As a result, they are not bound by the principles of Hippocrates, the first of which is, "First, do no harm."

[stevieb]

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And to make things even more laughable ..

I had a letter dated 23/11/11 telling me that my medical cert runs out on the 21/11/11 and I should get a new one to them by the 22/11/11 ... the letter was delivered on Saturday ...

I cannot get an appointment to see my doctor till Monday 5th December .. go figure

*sob*

[stevieb]

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Do you really expect to be back at work within 9/18 mths? because back injuries do take a long-time to repair.

Yes, short of having surgery on my back there is nothing more they can do. (I am reluctant to go through with this, as 2 operations down so far have left me worse than I was prior to them)

Ermm, steve is driving home from work as we speak mate - he's like superhuman! No kidding......

It's such a long way from the keyboard ..

It makes me sick that someone in genuine need can't get help yet scroungers with 'a bad back' and druggies/alkies can get it

Now I am not one to give in easily, and my case and point in this matter is simple.
I was told in 2008 that I would be lucky to work again, but determination and ignoring the pain I went back to work.
The way things have unfolded this year, is such that I have had 2 operations and a number of 'procedures' (injections etc) in my back.
Due to the timing, and outcome of these has caused me to have longer off of work that I wished.
11th July, operation on my hand.
10th August, Injections in my neck, mid back.
26th September operation to my shoulder.
3rd November dye tests and injections into my lower back.
plus various hospital visits in between for xray's mri's and consultations.

When I had the ATOS medical I was 6 weeks post shoulder op, and had been advised by the consultants and the surgeons at the hospital that as I still didn't have full use of my shoulder, and as a consequence of the right shoulder being operated on it has caused greater deterioration in my left shoulder, which will also need to be operated on, means that if I drive my insurance is invalid, if I work or do anything strenuous or 'big' movements in my shoulder it will hamper the recovery.
I have a job that pays me well, why on gods earth would I wish to drop down to £67.50 a week by CHOICE when I clear more than that in a day.
If it was physically possible for me to do my job I would.
I have just been told by the DWP, that even now 8 weeks POST op I shouldn't have failed, especially as I pointed out that should I claim Jobseekers as they recommend I would technically be breaking the law as I have a job, Just physically unable to do it.

As I said give me the choice between receiving £56.40 a month (ESA _after_ my lodgers money has been taken off) and between £2500 - £3000 a month working I know what I would take every day of the week, yes I know what I do is hard manual work, and yes I know that it probably is doing me no favours in the long run, but pain to a certain extent you can work through, it is the physical limitations associated with the surgery that means I cannot work at the moment.

Had the operations been 6 months apart I would have had 2 separate claims going in for ESA as I would have recovered from one and been back at work _before_ the second operation.
This is where I feel the whole system is a farce.

[pompeyfaith]

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This says it all.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=atos+complaints&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla-USfficial&client=firefox-a

http://www.whywaitforever.com/dwpatos.html

http://www.bma.org.uk/employmentandc...cesdoctors.jsp

[jen_br]

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Well, rest assured whilst your going through the motions of appealing you will get paid.

Most GPs are willing to hand over evidence needed like files and even write a personal statement for you. depends on what your GP is like.

[Never-In-Doubt]

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Ermm, steve is driving home from work as we speak mate - he's like superhuman! No kidding......

I was kidding guys - sorry, we always take the piss outta each other *ahem*

[Pixie]

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I don't know anything about these medicals/tribunals but it does seem ridiculous that they're saying that you're fit to work (though the fact that Niddy says you're driving home from work might support what they're saying!!) I realise that it's probably a case of you needing to work for the money.

It makes me sick that someone in genuine need can't get help yet scroungers with 'a bad back' and druggies/alkies can get it