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  • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

    Ok Susie, here we go..... Please check this over with a fine tooth comb, especially the date I've entered into the first para, insert your address details and date at the tope, as in a normal letter, include the ref. number that Aplins have used, sign and send.

    I'm working on a Mac and have tried to re-format the layout but can't seem to centralise the titles...... so before you sent, please place FORMAL COMPLAINT in the middle as a header..... and centralise the subject text about CPUTR and PD-PAC. Hope that makes sense..... lol. Then send by rec. delivery to Aplins. I wouldn't hurt to send a copy to Hillesden either, so I've copied them in.


    FORMAL COMPLAINT

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    REQUEST FOR CLARIFICATION UNDER THE CONSUMER PROTECTION FROM UNFAIR TRADING REGULATIONS (CPUTR) 2008

    PRACTICE DIRECTION PRE-ACTION CONDUCT (PD-PAC)


    Ref: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    With reference to your letter of xx/xx/xx threatening legal action once again on behalf of a dubious set of clients, please note that I still do not acknowledge any debt to any of your clients or your client’s clients and refer you to back to my letter of 29th March 2014, suggesting that you re-acquaint yourself with its content. In particular, the paragraph that reads:

    “Your client has already stated, in writing, that they "cannot comment on actions taken prior to acquisition" in response to two direct requests under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations (CPUTR) 2008 for clarification of figures sold to them by Black Horse Finance Limited some time ago. This means that your client; Hillesden Securities, are unable to substantiate any figures that they have "instructed" you to chase because Black Horse Finance themselves have been unable to substantiate any for years, before selling an alleged balance to your client.”

    On the assumption that you may be experiencing some difficulties with the content of that letter, please let me assist you by highlighting what your client or your client’s clients finally admitted to after being asked repeatedly to substantiate an anomalous set of figures from Black Horse Finance under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations (CPUTR) 2008:

    they "cannot comment on actions taken prior to acquisition"

    they "cannot comment on actions taken prior to acquisition"

    In an attempt to help you comprehend what your client or your client’s clients have admitted to, it refers to them not really having any idea about what they are pursuing and being unable to back anything up with any actual, cogent evidence.

    In spite of this making perfect sense to me, you still appear to be struggling with it, so I now require Aplins to provide full clarification of the figures provided to them by any set of clients or client’s clients under the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations (CPUTR) 2008 and as part of a formal complaint.

    Should you attempt to follow your client’s woolly instructions in the absence of this clarification, as you have intimated, some 6 months after the last time you threatened to do it, then please note that any such litigation will be vigorously defended and I may counter claim for all quantifiable damages and costs upon having any summons set-aside, due to the dispute I have been telling you about for some considerable time and your knowledge of that dispute throughout. The court will also be made aware of your failure to comply with Practice Direction Pre-Action Conduct (PD-PAC), as well as repeated attempts by omission to mislead under CPUTR 2008.

    As this matter is now the subject of a formal complaint with yourselves; Aplins, I now require a copy of your complaints procedure in response to it. I will also expect to receive a full, written response in due course which when received, will be forwarded immediately to the Financial Conduct Authority and the Solicitors’ Regulatory Authority for them to carry out their own investigations into your conduct.

    Alternatively, you could always apply a dose of good old common sense and confirm back to me in writing that the matter has now been closed and referred back to your client or your clients’ clients because you fully understand the terminology that they "cannot comment on actions taken prior to acquisition" after all and as such, now realise that there is no factual definitive “balance” that can be substantiated as being outstanding to any clients or agents anywhere.

    I am of course prepared to wait a reasonable length of time for you to consider your response but any additional failure to address its content properly will see complaints lodged with the aforementioned regulatory bodies anyway.

    You have 14 days from receipt of this letter.

    Yours faithfully,



    Your Name

    cc. Hillesden Securities
    Last edited by PriorityOne; 21 September 2014, 08:26.
    Remember the mantra:
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    Send EVERYTHING by Recorded/Special Delivery
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    • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

      Hi

      Thank you that sounds so so brilliant, Must admit we have had to Ask Jeeves what some of the phrases mean, lol,,,, but I am sure they will get the message. I will copy paste and fine tooth it as instructed, and should I use the anti tamper strip at the bottom ? as it has the site name on it..??

      Hope apart from my letter you have had a relaxing weekend... I will get back with any comeback, especially whatever it is you threatened because I have n t a clue about that just sounds ace .
      If you are using a shovel to dig yourself into a hole, a credit card company will be happy to give you a JCB !!

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      • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

        Originally posted by Susiebling365 View Post
        Hi

        Thank you that sounds so so brilliant, Must admit we have had to Ask Jeeves what some of the phrases mean, lol,,,, but I am sure they will get the message. I will copy paste and fine tooth it as instructed, and should I use the anti tamper strip at the bottom ? as it has the site name on it..??

        Hope apart from my letter you have had a relaxing weekend... I will get back with any comeback, especially whatever it is you threatened because I have n t a clue about that just sounds ace .
        Yes, please include the anti-tamper strip, as they should be well aware of who AAD are...... and it'll serve as an additional warning shot.
        Remember the mantra:
        NEVER communicate by 'phone.

        Send EVERYTHING by Recorded/Special Delivery
        Keep a copy of EVERYTHING sent
        Keep hold of EVERYTHING received

        PriorityOne & CPUTR 2008 (ex P1 CAG CPUTR 2008)


        I'm an official AAD Moderator and also a volunteer, here to help make the forum run smoothly. Any views or opinions are mine and not the official line of AAD. Similarly, any advice I have offered you is done so on an informal basis, without prejudice or liability. If in doubt seek advice from a qualified insured professional - Find a Solicitor or go to the National Probono Centre.

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        • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

          Well. A return by post reply... surprised me to be honest

          Aplins say.....We are in receipt of your letter dated 21st Sept.2014 ( autumn equinox btw ) and note the contents.

          Your file has been returned to our client who will provide you with a response in accordance with their complaints procedure.

          signed a squiggle..
          ..

          I suppose Hillesden will give me a little bit more, but I suppose this letter ping pong will go on until one of them....BH gives up or their clients clients clients of clients....
          If you are using a shovel to dig yourself into a hole, a credit card company will be happy to give you a JCB !!

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          • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

            Excellent result..... and much quicker than I expected!! File it away safely Susie....

            Hillesden will probably write again but they'll need a new set of solicitors to take it to court......

            Good on ya Aplins..... .....lol!
            Remember the mantra:
            NEVER communicate by 'phone.

            Send EVERYTHING by Recorded/Special Delivery
            Keep a copy of EVERYTHING sent
            Keep hold of EVERYTHING received

            PriorityOne & CPUTR 2008 (ex P1 CAG CPUTR 2008)


            I'm an official AAD Moderator and also a volunteer, here to help make the forum run smoothly. Any views or opinions are mine and not the official line of AAD. Similarly, any advice I have offered you is done so on an informal basis, without prejudice or liability. If in doubt seek advice from a qualified insured professional - Find a Solicitor or go to the National Probono Centre.

            If you spot an abusive or libellous post then please report it by Clicking Here. If you need to contact me, for instance if I've issued you a warning, moved, edited or deleted your post, please send me a message by clicking my username.

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            • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

              Oh good.. then, My partner also thinks thats a good result so if you do too thats good for me. I suppose they don t want to be bothered with hassle.... I will keep it safe, got a box full of paper and look forward to the day I can burn the lot
              If you are using a shovel to dig yourself into a hole, a credit card company will be happy to give you a JCB !!

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              • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

                Originally posted by Susiebling365 View Post
                Oh good.. then, My partner also thinks thats a good result so if you do too thats good for me. I suppose they don t want to be bothered with hassle.... I will keep it safe, got a box full of paper and look forward to the day I can burn the lot
                Oh God.... don't burn it Susie!!

                Keep it forever..... I'll design you a Certificate of Endurance instead once this is all over..... then you can hang it on the wall..... lol! x
                Remember the mantra:
                NEVER communicate by 'phone.

                Send EVERYTHING by Recorded/Special Delivery
                Keep a copy of EVERYTHING sent
                Keep hold of EVERYTHING received

                PriorityOne & CPUTR 2008 (ex P1 CAG CPUTR 2008)


                I'm an official AAD Moderator and also a volunteer, here to help make the forum run smoothly. Any views or opinions are mine and not the official line of AAD. Similarly, any advice I have offered you is done so on an informal basis, without prejudice or liability. If in doubt seek advice from a qualified insured professional - Find a Solicitor or go to the National Probono Centre.

                If you spot an abusive or libellous post then please report it by Clicking Here. If you need to contact me, for instance if I've issued you a warning, moved, edited or deleted your post, please send me a message by clicking my username.

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                • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

                  Thanks.......Endurance is the word, and the worst thing is it wasn t really my debt..

                  ...However....I v had two enormous letters this morning.....from Hills..... one is the policy on complaints procedure.... and the other how they see it... I t outlines everything and basically says they can t see anything wrong with the way BH has handled things.Then they regurgitates the account balance but no reference to all the anomalies we brought up in the beginning ie.how the deal was brought about and handled in the first place. Just accountant style... It is a lot but I really don t know what to do next... apart from maybe throw all the original arguement back to them.. cut n paste... Sorry its such a lot of bumf ....anyway

                  I ll set to work scanning etc when had a strong coffee....... its a bit unnerving but I will endure, you ll probably think I m a wimp...well I am .... lol
                  If you are using a shovel to dig yourself into a hole, a credit card company will be happy to give you a JCB !!

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                  • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

                    Originally posted by Susiebling365 View Post
                    Thanks.......Endurance is the word, and the worst thing is it wasn t really my debt..

                    ...However....I v had two enormous letters this morning.....from Hills..... one is the policy on complaints procedure.... and the other how they see it... I t outlines everything and basically says they can t see anything wrong with the way BH has handled things.Then they regurgitates the account balance but no reference to all the anomalies we brought up in the beginning ie.how the deal was brought about and handled in the first place. Just accountant style... It is a lot but I really don t know what to do next... apart from maybe throw all the original arguement back to them.. cut n paste... Sorry its such a lot of bumf ....anyway

                    I ll set to work scanning etc when had a strong coffee....... its a bit unnerving but I will endure, you ll probably think I m a wimp...well I am .... lol
                    I'd be inclined to ignore it but post it up anyway, so I can check it all over. They can't do anything without solicitors and we've just got rid of their last lot (for the time being anyway).

                    Perhaps it's best not to be too complacent..... I'll give myself a slap..... lol!
                    Remember the mantra:
                    NEVER communicate by 'phone.

                    Send EVERYTHING by Recorded/Special Delivery
                    Keep a copy of EVERYTHING sent
                    Keep hold of EVERYTHING received

                    PriorityOne & CPUTR 2008 (ex P1 CAG CPUTR 2008)


                    I'm an official AAD Moderator and also a volunteer, here to help make the forum run smoothly. Any views or opinions are mine and not the official line of AAD. Similarly, any advice I have offered you is done so on an informal basis, without prejudice or liability. If in doubt seek advice from a qualified insured professional - Find a Solicitor or go to the National Probono Centre.

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                    • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

                      ​Too many words for me to feel comfortable lol... well here goes, both letters came this morning.... this is the acknowledgement .....
                      Attached Files
                      If you are using a shovel to dig yourself into a hole, a credit card company will be happy to give you a JCB !!

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                      • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

                        Ok.... well this first one's nothing to worry about. They say they're investigating and that's about it. File and ignore.
                        Remember the mantra:
                        NEVER communicate by 'phone.

                        Send EVERYTHING by Recorded/Special Delivery
                        Keep a copy of EVERYTHING sent
                        Keep hold of EVERYTHING received

                        PriorityOne & CPUTR 2008 (ex P1 CAG CPUTR 2008)


                        I'm an official AAD Moderator and also a volunteer, here to help make the forum run smoothly. Any views or opinions are mine and not the official line of AAD. Similarly, any advice I have offered you is done so on an informal basis, without prejudice or liability. If in doubt seek advice from a qualified insured professional - Find a Solicitor or go to the National Probono Centre.

                        If you spot an abusive or libellous post then please report it by Clicking Here. If you need to contact me, for instance if I've issued you a warning, moved, edited or deleted your post, please send me a message by clicking my username.

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                        • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

                          I did n t realise the bit about solicitors, but just presume it would be handed back , anyway this is their answer, final answer they say. Very simple and final and does not pick up on any of the discrepancies we pointed out over the years. Now I am calmer I will check back and go through this letter to pick up on what they have missed, but really its all in the previous letters you lovingly wrote to them. .... they do seem more on the ball than the others or is it me werritin???

                          They also included copies of the two answers BH sent, and copies of the payment statement.....what do you think ???
                          Attached Files
                          If you are using a shovel to dig yourself into a hole, a credit card company will be happy to give you a JCB !!

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                          • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

                            Leave it with me for a bit Susie.... x
                            Remember the mantra:
                            NEVER communicate by 'phone.

                            Send EVERYTHING by Recorded/Special Delivery
                            Keep a copy of EVERYTHING sent
                            Keep hold of EVERYTHING received

                            PriorityOne & CPUTR 2008 (ex P1 CAG CPUTR 2008)


                            I'm an official AAD Moderator and also a volunteer, here to help make the forum run smoothly. Any views or opinions are mine and not the official line of AAD. Similarly, any advice I have offered you is done so on an informal basis, without prejudice or liability. If in doubt seek advice from a qualified insured professional - Find a Solicitor or go to the National Probono Centre.

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                            • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

                              Ok ..and thanks. I ve just gone through the letters. Its depressing as everything hangs on my signature to a minefield. The agreement was not explained to me and there seems to be no redress or safeguard for me. and everything for those that led me into it to hide behind. Can t believe now I was so naive, but I was not in a good place at the time, and they knew that.

                              I hope those agreements are no longer in circulation,

                              would n t mind but never went in the dam thing....... hope you can think of something....
                              If you are using a shovel to dig yourself into a hole, a credit card company will be happy to give you a JCB !!

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                              • Re: Ten years of Black Horse, help me to end it please ?

                                Right.... I've written something and will post it up in the morning at some point. We've been arguing this for 2 years!! I'd like to think f they were going to court with it, then they would have done it by now but you never can tell.....

                                Hopefully you'll manage a good night's rest before we battle on.....
                                Remember the mantra:
                                NEVER communicate by 'phone.

                                Send EVERYTHING by Recorded/Special Delivery
                                Keep a copy of EVERYTHING sent
                                Keep hold of EVERYTHING received

                                PriorityOne & CPUTR 2008 (ex P1 CAG CPUTR 2008)


                                I'm an official AAD Moderator and also a volunteer, here to help make the forum run smoothly. Any views or opinions are mine and not the official line of AAD. Similarly, any advice I have offered you is done so on an informal basis, without prejudice or liability. If in doubt seek advice from a qualified insured professional - Find a Solicitor or go to the National Probono Centre.

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