HSBC Defaults - AAARRRGH!!

[di30]

Re: HSBC Defaults - AAARRRGH!!

Just a quick question with regards to claiming the PPI once the SAR is honoured.. Do we HAVE to fill out the PPI questionnaire, or can we just work out the PPI + interest and demand the payment as mis-sold PPI?

Thanks

Hi there

Cheers Diddly for directing me here.

You can still continue to make a reclaim on the questionnaire now whilst awaiting for the SAR, you do not need to write the amounts on the complaints form, they should send you a breakdown when the case is resolved.
However, it does help to have your own figures on stand-by as well.

On the PPI forums on this site, there is an explanation of how the FOS calculates calculations, so banks/businesses have to follow their guidelines.

[di30]

Re: HSBC Defaults - AAARRRGH!!

Check this out here.......


CREDIT CARDS

1. Where card account and the PPI are still in force.

If the consumer agrees to cancellation of the PPI the financial business should:

a) reconstruct the account by removing any premiums in respect of the PPI and any interest or charges in respect of those premiums;
b) if that produces a credit balance for any period, credit interest on that balance for that period at 8% simple per year; and
c) send the customer a statement showing the resulting balance on the account (with details of how it was calculated).

2. Where the card account is still open but the PPI has been cancelled.

The financial business should:

a) reconstruct the account by removing any premiums in respect of the PPI and any interest or charges in respect of those premiums;
b) if that produces a credit balance for any period, credit interest on that balance for that period at 8% simple per year; and
c) send the customer a statement showing the resulting balance on the account (with details of how it was calculated.)

3. Where the card account has been cleared and closed and the PPI has been cancelled:

The financial business should:

a) reconstruct the account by removing any premiums in respect of the PPI and any interest or charges in respect of those premiums;
b) if that produces a credit balance for any period, credit interest on that balance for that period at 8% simple per year;
c) pay the customer the difference between the revised closing balance and the original closing balance;
d) pay the customer interest on that difference at 8% simple per year from the date of closure to the date of payment; and
e) send the customer details of how the revised balance, the difference and the interest were calculated.

FOS may also consider it appropriate for the financial business to pay the consumer additional compensation for any distress and inconvenience he or she has been caused, including where the financial business rejected a complaint which it knew (or should have known) would be upheld, If they consider such an award is appropriate this will be specified by the adjudicator.

LOANS

These are examples full publication can be found on Link following them


Loan and PPI policy still in place at time of FOS decision.
Lender agreed for the cancellation of the PPI policy and restructuring of loan. E.g.
Overall loan repayments £250 per month but would have been £200 without PPI, term of policy was 60 months and complaint settled after 20 monthly payments.
· Return excess monthly payments of £50 x 20 payments up to date of settlement (£1000)
· Add interest to each payment of £50 at 8%simple, from date of each payment until lender repaid.
· Arrange loan to be restructured, so remaining 40 monthly payments reduced to £200
· Pay borrower £300 for extra inconvenience caused.

Loan and PPI policy terminated early before FOS decision.
Overall loan was for £23,000 (monthly payments £430) – but it would have been £18,000 with monthly payments of £340 without PPI. Policy term was 60 months; loan and policy cancelled are 23 monthly payments.
Borrower was required to pay £15,500 to settle the loan (after the business had taken account of the rebate of premium he was due of £1,200; but if he had not had PPI added to loan, the smaller loan of £18,000 would have cost £13,000 to settle at the same point.
So borrower had paid lender £90 a month more than he would have done, had the financial business not mis-sold the PPI policy; and £2,500 more to settle the loan after 24 months.
· Return 24 monthly payments of £90 to date of settlement (£2,160)
· Calculate difference between settlement costs incurred when borrower ended loan early and those he would have incurred had he settled the loan without the additional PPI element. (£15,500 - £13,000 = £2,500) pay difference to borrower.
· Add interest to each payment of £90 at 8% simple, from date that excess was incurred.
· Pay borrower £400 for extra inconvenience.

Loan and PPI policy ran to term before FOS decision
Overall loan was £7,500 (monthly repayments of £250) – but it would have been £6,000 with monthly repayments of £200 without PPI. Term of Loan and policy 36 months. So borrower had paid £50 more per month than if PPI not been mis-sold.
· Return £50 x 36 months of the loan (£1,800)
· Add interest to each excess payment of £50 at 8% simple, from date that excess was incurred.
· Pay £200 for extra inconvenience.


SUCCESSIVE SINGLE-PREMIUM PAYMENT PROTECTION INSURANCE

The exact approach to calculating compensation will depend on the overall circumstances of the individual complaint. In particular the calculations of compensation will vary according to the present status of the most recent loan and PPI policy. The financial business will be expected to consider the four scenarios set out below to ensure that the calculations are appropriate.

1. the most recent loan and the most recent PPI policy are still in force;
2. the most recent loan is still in force but the most recent PPI has been cancelled or has expired;
3. all the loans have been settled early and all the PPI has been cancelled;
4. the most recent loan and the most recent PPI policy have run the full term.

plus also additional compensation for any distress/inconvenience including where the financial business reflected a complaint which if knew (or should have known) FOS would uphold.

Subject to the consumer agreeing to cancel any PPI policy that was mis-sold and is stillin force the financial business should:

(A). In respect of each loan:
- recalculate the loan and the payments to what they would have been if the consumer had taken the loan without PPI
- repay to the consumer the amounts by which the payments actually made exceeded the recalculated payments;
- pay the consumer interest on each of these amounts at 8% per year simple from the date each payment was made to the date the compensation is paid;
- recalculate the balance that would have been outstanding at the end of each loan had the recalculated loan not included PPI.

(B) Calculate how much of the balance that was carried forward to the subsequent loan related to the cost of the PPI policy taken out for the previous loan: and
- repay to the consumer all amounts paid under each subsequent loan in respect of the carried forward balance, including interest and charges;
- pay the consumer interest on each of these amounts at 8% per year simple from the date each payment was made to the date the compensation is paid.

(C) Where the most recent loan is still in force and it includes the cost of the most recent PPI policy and/or any balance carried forward from the cost of previous
PPI Policies, the financial business should restructure the loan or arrange for the loan to be restructured so that the balance is reduced to the level that it would
have been if it had not included any of the costs of the mis-sold PPI policies.

(D) Set out in writing for the consumer details of the calculations under (A) (B) and (C).

Example in regards of a default.
default charges

Mrs Q had got a little behind with her loan repayments. The lender had added default charges, and subsequently interest on those charges. We required the financial business to arrange for the restructuring of the loan – and to write off any charges (and any interest on them) which would not have arisen, if the monthly payment had been the lower amount that would have applied if there had been no PPI policy.

[Shadow2981]

Re: HSBC Defaults - AAARRRGH!!

Diddlydee - admittedly, I didnt recall all of the history of this post - and only skimmed Niddy's answer as I am at work :/ My bad!

Di, thanks, but he has SAR'd to determine exactly how he took the loans out, and dates etc... he doesnt want them to retaliate with "this loan was taken out online, how could you have been advised by someone in the bank you couldnt have it without PPI" for example... It was a long time ago, and he is unsure which is which, and whether or not he is confusing them, as he has had 3 loans from HSBC, the first two of which had PPI...

[di30]

Re: HSBC Defaults - AAARRRGH!!

Reclaim questionnaire here.....

http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.u...stionnaire.doc

Remember to keep copies for yourself as well, in case you need to refer back to it, or complain to the FOS later on.

[di30]

Re: HSBC Defaults - AAARRRGH!!

Diddlydee - admittedly, I didnt recall all of the history of this post - and only skimmed Niddy's answer as I am at work :/ My bad!

Di, thanks, but he has SAR'd to determine exactly how he took the loans out, and dates etc... he doesnt want them to retaliate with "this loan was taken out online, how could you have been advised by someone in the bank you couldnt have it without PPI" for example... It was a long time ago, and he is unsure which is which, and whether or not he is confusing them, as he has had 3 loans from HSBC, the first two of which had PPI...

Hiya

Right I see, ok see what the SAR bring in first then.

If for example the policy was sold directly in the bank, and he was told to have the loan he would have to take out PPI, this is one of the mis selling reasons as you know, so basically although it will be your words against their own, they must take your complaint seriously.

Even if it was sold online, it was once known that the application would proceed no further if ppi was not accepted/ticked for, so again this may have been the case if he was sold the finance online, or maybe a phone call later on - on why ppi was not ticked for, where they eventually added this themselves.

If your unsure, hopefully the SAR will be a help to this case then.

[di30]

Re: HSBC Defaults - AAARRRGH!!

When you get to start the reclaiming, please feel free to post up on the reclaiming of ppi here.......

http://forums.all-about-debt.co.uk/f...play.php?f=193

[Shadow2981]

Re: HSBC Defaults - AAARRRGH!!

We fully intend to Thanks!

[di30]

Re: HSBC Defaults - AAARRRGH!!

We fully intend to Thanks!

You are very welcome, look forward to helping you.